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Dunnett
2003-12-31 03:57:35 UTC
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http://home.earthlink.net/~no2bush/dishonestdubya.html

ROTFLMAO!!!
Michael Fell
2003-12-31 04:20:38 UTC
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Post by Dunnett
http://home.earthlink.net/~no2bush/dishonestdubya.html
ROTFLMAO!!!
At least he doesn't sell snare drums with exploding throw offs and
chinese lugs. Laugh that one off funny man.:-) I can sling mud with
the best of them.:-) Ronn what's your obession with our president? I
mean you being from Canaduh and all. I just don't get you wacky
Canucks.

Mike
Josh
2003-12-31 04:34:48 UTC
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Nobody in Canaduh cares enough to make jokes of the former Chretien.
Post by Michael Fell
Post by Dunnett
http://home.earthlink.net/~no2bush/dishonestdubya.html
ROTFLMAO!!!
At least he doesn't sell snare drums with exploding throw offs and
chinese lugs. Laugh that one off funny man.:-) I can sling mud with
the best of them.:-) Ronn what's your obession with our president? I
mean you being from Canaduh and all. I just don't get you wacky
Canucks.
Mike
elliot
2003-12-31 07:53:26 UTC
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Post by Michael Fell
Post by Dunnett
http://home.earthlink.net/~no2bush/dishonestdubya.html
ROTFLMAO!!!
At least he doesn't sell snare drums with exploding throw offs
and chinese lugs. Laugh that one off funny man.:-) I can sling
mud with the best of them.:-) Ronn what's your obession with our
president? I mean you being from Canaduh and all. I just don't
get you wacky Canucks.
Mike
Pardon me Mike. I couldn't help but noticing your reference to my
home and native country as "Canaduh". What is that all about?

elliot
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Chris Milillo
2003-12-31 07:59:44 UTC
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Post by elliot
Post by Michael Fell
Post by Dunnett
http://home.earthlink.net/~no2bush/dishonestdubya.html
ROTFLMAO!!!
At least he doesn't sell snare drums with exploding throw offs
and chinese lugs. Laugh that one off funny man.:-) I can sling
mud with the best of them.:-) Ronn what's your obession with our
president? I mean you being from Canaduh and all. I just don't
get you wacky Canucks.
Mike
Pardon me Mike. I couldn't help but noticing your reference to my
home and native country as "Canaduh". What is that all about?
elliot
It's called "third grade mentality". No offense to actual third graders.

CM
nick amoroso
2003-12-31 08:01:25 UTC
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Post by Chris Milillo
It's called "third grade mentality". No offense to actual third graders.
CM
my son forgives you.

peace,
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elliot
2003-12-31 08:07:14 UTC
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Post by Chris Milillo
Post by elliot
Post by Michael Fell
Post by Dunnett
http://home.earthlink.net/~no2bush/dishonestdubya.html
ROTFLMAO!!!
At least he doesn't sell snare drums with exploding throw
offs and chinese lugs. Laugh that one off funny man.:-) I
can sling mud with the best of them.:-) Ronn what's your
obession with our president? I mean you being from Canaduh
and all. I just don't get you wacky Canucks.
Mike
Pardon me Mike. I couldn't help but noticing your reference to
my home and native country as "Canaduh". What is that all
about?
elliot
It's called "third grade mentality". No offense to actual
third graders.
CM
I guess that's true, if there indeed is any education involved...;)

elliot
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Dunnett
2004-01-02 16:49:07 UTC
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I have some spare time.
Post by Michael Fell
At least he doesn't sell snare drums with exploding throw offs and
chinese lugs. Laugh that one off funny man.:-)
I don't get the reference. He sells war which does include exploding
depeleted uranium amunitions and of course if you had any idea of how
much product great American companies like Wal-Mart import from China
you might not be so quick to say something stupid like you just did.
But, just to go on record, Dunnett Classic drums does not use any
product or part manufactured in China. I do, however, sell snare
drums. You are 1 for 3. That puts you close to par with Bush's overall
academic record if what I read about his Yale time is true.

I can sling mud with
Post by Michael Fell
the best of them.:-)
I won't dispute that - you fling very well, it's just that much of it
seems to end up in your own mouth. Is that intentional? I mean it's
pretty cute when you see a 2 year do it, but...

Ronn what's your obession with our president?

I just find him so...so...sexy. I mean there is just something about
that man - his - his genius, his way with words, ...I just find that
so attractive. I think I'm falling in love with...WITH YOU Michael,
with you!! Kiss me you fool...oh wait...here, let me wipe off the mud.

I
Post by Michael Fell
mean you being from Canaduh and all.
Oh, the wit. That's the cherry on top, sense of humour! Between your
"CanaDUH" (get it? CanaDUH, just like a dumb guy would say it!
ROTFLMAO!!) gag and the last state of the Union speech a guy would be
hard pressed to pick between you two.

I just don't get you wacky
Post by Michael Fell
Canucks.
Don't try to solve the mystery sweetheart - you'll just spoil the
moment.
Glenn Dowdy
2004-01-02 17:04:18 UTC
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Post by Dunnett
I have some spare time.
Post by Michael Fell
At least he doesn't sell snare drums with exploding throw offs and
chinese lugs. Laugh that one off funny man.:-)
I don't get the reference. He sells war which does include exploding
depeleted uranium amunitions
To be accurate, depleted uranium munitions are pyrophoric, not explosive.

Glenn D.
Jim Ferris
2003-12-31 04:51:01 UTC
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Wow - that really makes me want to "Roll On The Floor And Laugh My Ass
Off"!!

Great stuff, really is. No, really.
Post by Dunnett
http://home.earthlink.net/~no2bush/dishonestdubya.html
ROTFLMAO!!!
Mark Polis
2003-12-31 08:04:21 UTC
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You make great snare drums, Ronn.
Happy New Year.
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Post by Dunnett
http://home.earthlink.net/~no2bush/dishonestdubya.html
ROTFLMAO!!!
Steve V
2003-12-31 06:49:14 UTC
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Well, the choking on a pretzel thing was worth it.

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Post by Dunnett
http://home.earthlink.net/~no2bush/dishonestdubya.html
ROTFLMAO!!!
Dunnett
2003-12-31 23:58:23 UTC
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I think some of you WOULD think that was funny if it was Clinton and
it had something to do with cigars and BJ's. It was cool to make fun
of the "Commander & Chief" then, huh?

Whazzamadda Fell - can't take a joke? Sorry if I got under your
rather thick skull, I mean, skin there.

And for the record, yeah, I had a good, good laugh.
vaughn
2004-01-01 03:48:40 UTC
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BJs in the oval office and cigar play of that nature from, ahem...the
president of the USA are rather juvenile and laughable. apples and oranges.
Post by Dunnett
I think some of you WOULD think that was funny if it was Clinton and
it had something to do with cigars and BJ's. It was cool to make fun
of the "Commander & Chief" then, huh?
Whazzamadda Fell - can't take a joke? Sorry if I got under your
rather thick skull, I mean, skin there.
And for the record, yeah, I had a good, good laugh.
Adam
2004-01-01 10:27:54 UTC
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Post by vaughn
BJs in the oval office and cigar play of that nature from,
ahem...the president of the USA are rather juvenile and
laughable. apples and oranges.
Yes, but not as laughable as a President who can't speak English
(even when it's all written out for him) and ended up unconcious
from trying to eat a Pretzel.
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b***@iwaynet.net
2004-01-01 21:01:38 UTC
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Post by vaughn
BJs in the oval office and cigar play of that nature from, ahem...the
president of the USA are rather juvenile and laughable. apples and oranges.
Laughable? Just a minute here. Let me explain a thing or two to
the few liberals (Ronn...ya hear me?) that happen to post here.

Liberals are people who operate totally on emotion without a
shred of honor or logic. They scream about how if people have
guns they'll all start blazing away at each other on the freeway,
because that's EXACTLY how a liberal would be if he/she had
a gun and got angry! They just ask "how do I feel at the moment?"
and than act on that. Now if a bunch of hip hop teen gangbangers
shoot up the freeway, hey, that's OK. We call that "diversity"!

So what about Slick and the hummer? Is that just "laugable"?
Is that just a little "juvenile" fun? The liberals, even the
hardcore man-hating diesel dykes at NOW would have you believe
that. But the bottom line is that if "their" president is out of
line it's OK, but just let someone else do that and WHAM!

Do you bunch of liberals, without any honor, happen to know just
HOW many people are sitting in prison RIGHT NOW for acts FAR
less eggregious than those of Slick? And they were put there
by YOU liberals! The liberal argument for THEM was as follows:
When a senior offical (eg. Commander in Chief) has sex with
an underling (such as an intern) it can NEVER be considered
"consentual"! According to the liberal argument put before
the courts (and the courts agreed even shipping two officers
who were in love and planning to get married off to the slammer)
the higher rank of the one over the other is an imtimidation
and as such constitutes felony sexual harassment!

Jail has been demanded (and received) for all but president
slick, for acts FAR less blantant that those our
president performed in the oval office! See what I mean?
Liberals are just all about "how do I feel today"
and have no honor! No logic. No memory.

But does all this get dubya off the hook? Hardly, I say that
pulling down your pants and taking a dump squarely upon
the constitution of the United States of America is far
worse than any hummer! Not that Slick didn't do his part
too. Remember all that phone tap legislation to put a plug
on the side of the phone company where up to a third of
all conversations in the U.S. can be monitors simultaneously,
was passed by Slick and the "Ds". So Dubya and crew just
took up where Slick left off.

The American Police State keeping you safe. You know you
are going to enjoy it! Go to any airport or courthouse
to learn more!

Benj
(Don't you think it's time we started making everyone prove they
are innocent before they are allowed to post on rmmp?)

PS. All you guys out there like me (to the right of Attilla the Hun)
can ignore this post. You've heard it all before.
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creux
2004-01-07 06:47:59 UTC
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Post by b***@iwaynet.net
and have no honor!
yes. but you also need valor, justice, spirituality, humility, compassion,
and some
other qualitiest to be an avatar, benj!
Dunnett
2004-01-02 08:35:53 UTC
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Post by vaughn
BJs in the oval office and cigar play of that nature from, ahem...the
president of the USA are rather juvenile and laughable. apples and oranges.
Like it's the first time it ever happened in th Oval office - please,
it's just the first time you ever HEARD of it. What kind of world do
you live in where getting head or having a good cigar are "juvenile
and laughable"?

If anything I think Bush NEEDS a good BJ. He should ask Cheney.
Adam
2004-01-02 10:53:46 UTC
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Post by Dunnett
If anything I think Bush NEEDS a good BJ. He should ask Cheney.
No, what Bush needs is a Thinking Brain Dog (anyone who reads Terry
Pratchett will understand this).
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Glenn Dowdy
2004-01-02 15:44:18 UTC
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Post by Adam
Post by Dunnett
If anything I think Bush NEEDS a good BJ. He should ask Cheney.
No, what Bush needs is a Thinking Brain Dog (anyone who reads Terry
Pratchett will understand this).
I just want some Luggage.

Glenn D.
Mark Rance
2004-01-04 11:10:21 UTC
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When you think as well as he does, then consider the acquisition of
luggage...not before
Top Tip: you're *way* before.

-Mark
Post by Adam
Post by Dunnett
If anything I think Bush NEEDS a good BJ. He should ask Cheney.
No, what Bush needs is a Thinking Brain Dog (anyone who reads Terry
Pratchett will understand this).
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George Lawrence
2004-01-02 16:18:14 UTC
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It turns out one of the prior romps with interns was by Kennedy. Let's see,
was Kennedy a democrat or a republican?
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/83791p-76600c.html

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Post by Dunnett
Post by vaughn
BJs in the oval office and cigar play of that nature from, ahem...the
president of the USA are rather juvenile and laughable. apples and oranges.
Like it's the first time it ever happened in th Oval office - please,
it's just the first time you ever HEARD of it. What kind of world do
you live in where getting head or having a good cigar are "juvenile
and laughable"?
If anything I think Bush NEEDS a good BJ. He should ask Cheney.
Chris Milillo
2004-01-02 16:30:48 UTC
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Post by George Lawrence
It turns out one of the prior romps with interns was by Kennedy. Let's see,
was Kennedy a democrat or a republican?
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/83791p-76600c.html
Maybe that's because Republican Presidents are usually decrepit old
tight-asses with whom no one would want to romp. Let's go back... Daddy
Bush, Reagan, Ford, Nixon... Yeah, I bet the young hotties are drooling over
them! :-)


CM
Kurgan666
2004-01-03 00:24:01 UTC
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Post by Chris Milillo
Post by George Lawrence
It turns out one of the prior romps with interns was by Kennedy. Let's
see,
Post by George Lawrence
was Kennedy a democrat or a republican?
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/83791p-76600c.html
Maybe that's because Republican Presidents are usually decrepit old
tight-asses with whom no one would want to romp. Let's go back... Daddy
Bush, Reagan, Ford, Nixon... Yeah, I bet the young hotties are drooling over
them! :-)
CM
Or maybe Dummy-crat presidents are too impetuous and stupid to keep
their dick in their drawers.
Chris Milillo
2004-01-03 02:08:10 UTC
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Post by Kurgan666
Post by Chris Milillo
Post by George Lawrence
It turns out one of the prior romps with interns was by Kennedy. Let's
see,
Post by George Lawrence
was Kennedy a democrat or a republican?
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/83791p-76600c.html
Maybe that's because Republican Presidents are usually decrepit old
tight-asses with whom no one would want to romp. Let's go back... Daddy
Bush, Reagan, Ford, Nixon... Yeah, I bet the young hotties are drooling over
them! :-)
CM
Or maybe Dummy-crat presidents are too impetuous and stupid to keep
their dick in their drawers.
Oh, come on, Chris... The one thing I'll give you is that
Demo-lition-crats might be too stupid to GET AWAY WITH IT, but if you're
saying that only Democratic Presidents participate in "extra-curricular"
activites, well... I'll just have to laugh.

I want to start a new political party called the "Split the Difference"
party, because both sides are too far from the center, but I'd rather just
play drums. :-)

The "other" CM
Mark Rance
2004-01-04 11:15:52 UTC
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Post by Kurgan666
Or maybe Dummy-crat presidents are too impetuous and stupid to keep
their dick in their drawers.
That, or, perhaps, devoid of moral fiber (or both).

-Mark
Chris Milillo
2004-01-04 18:13:03 UTC
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Post by Mark Rance
Post by Kurgan666
Or maybe Dummy-crat presidents are too impetuous and stupid to keep
their dick in their drawers.
That, or, perhaps, devoid of moral fiber (or both).
-Mark
Please watch how you quote, Mark. I didn't say that.

CM
Kurgan666
2004-01-05 19:13:15 UTC
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Post by Chris Milillo
Post by Kurgan666
Post by Chris Milillo
Post by George Lawrence
It turns out one of the prior romps with interns was by Kennedy. Let's
see,
Post by Kurgan666
Post by Chris Milillo
Post by George Lawrence
was Kennedy a democrat or a republican?
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/83791p-76600c.html
Maybe that's because Republican Presidents are usually decrepit old
tight-asses with whom no one would want to romp. Let's go back... Daddy
Bush, Reagan, Ford, Nixon... Yeah, I bet the young hotties are drooling
over
Post by Kurgan666
Post by Chris Milillo
them! :-)
CM
Or maybe Dummy-crat presidents are too impetuous and stupid to keep
their dick in their drawers.
Oh, come on, Chris... The one thing I'll give you is that
Demo-lition-crats might be too stupid to GET AWAY WITH IT, but if you're
saying that only Democratic Presidents participate in "extra-curricular"
activites, well... I'll just have to laugh.
I want to start a new political party called the "Split the Difference"
party, because both sides are too far from the center, but I'd rather just
play drums. :-)
The "other" CM
You're right. However, if there's no definitive proof Rupugnant-crat
Presidents have porked interns, then it's hard to accuse them with
such activities. I just find it un-fucking believable that lefties
call Bush a liar, when Clinton wagged his finger at the cameras
spouting: 'I did not have sex with thet womin."

Funny thing is, most people in the U.S. would fit in the
"Split-the-difference" category. Clinton knew this. That's why he ran
as a centrist.
Glenn Dowdy
2004-01-05 19:16:45 UTC
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Post by Kurgan666
You're right. However, if there's no definitive proof Rupugnant-crat
Presidents have porked interns, then it's hard to accuse them with
such activities.
Oh, it's easy, it just isn't easy to prove (especially if it isn't true).
Post by Kurgan666
I just find it un-fucking believable that lefties
call Bush a liar, when Clinton wagged his finger at the cameras
spouting: 'I did not have sex with thet womin."
In what way does Clinton being a liar prevent Bush from being a liar? How
many posts here claim that Clinton didn't have sex outside of wedlock with
an intern?
Post by Kurgan666
Funny thing is, most people in the U.S. would fit in the
"Split-the-difference" category. Clinton knew this. That's why he ran
as a centrist.
Politicians do what it takes to get elected. That's why they're politicians.

Glenn D.
Dunnett
2004-01-04 22:02:09 UTC
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Post by Kurgan666
Or maybe Dummy-crat presidents are too impetuous and stupid to keep
their dick in their drawers.
Oh no, Republican presidents have thier dicks out too...only they rub
them together with dictators of convenience like the Saudi "Flying
Circus" Royalty.
Michael Fell
2004-01-04 23:58:47 UTC
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Post by Dunnett
Post by Kurgan666
Or maybe Dummy-crat presidents are too impetuous and stupid to keep
their dick in their drawers.
Oh no, Republican presidents have thier dicks out too...only they rub
them together with dictators of convenience like the Saudi "Flying
Circus" Royalty.
Like France and Hussien?

Mike
Dunnett
2004-01-05 09:26:52 UTC
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Post by Michael Fell
Like France and Hussien?
No, Rumfilled rubbed Saddam while Chirac just watched.
George Lawrence
2004-01-03 06:07:09 UTC
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That's why we elect them. They've sold their wild oats and can payattention
to their job. I think we should make 55 the minimum age for the job.

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George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800

"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Chris Milillo
Post by George Lawrence
It turns out one of the prior romps with interns was by Kennedy. Let's
see,
Post by George Lawrence
was Kennedy a democrat or a republican?
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/83791p-76600c.html
Maybe that's because Republican Presidents are usually decrepit old
tight-asses with whom no one would want to romp. Let's go back... Daddy
Bush, Reagan, Ford, Nixon... Yeah, I bet the young hotties are drooling over
them! :-)
CM
Mark Rance
2004-01-04 11:14:31 UTC
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Chris,

Smiley noted but you're egregiously missing he point. The idea is not the
facade or the physical appeal of the person (in public office) to attract
suitors that is at play here. It is the accountability and adherence to the
vows those same people swore to, from whatever party, when they married
their mates!

-Mark
Post by Chris Milillo
Post by George Lawrence
It turns out one of the prior romps with interns was by Kennedy. Let's
see,
Post by George Lawrence
was Kennedy a democrat or a republican?
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/83791p-76600c.html
Maybe that's because Republican Presidents are usually decrepit old
tight-asses with whom no one would want to romp. Let's go back... Daddy
Bush, Reagan, Ford, Nixon... Yeah, I bet the young hotties are drooling over
them! :-)
CM
Dunnett
2004-01-05 09:31:34 UTC
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If a leader is doing even a half assed job of running a country, I
don't care about his personal life.

I don't vote based on my belief the person I am voting for will remain
monogamous, remain thin, remain fat, quit smoking, floss daily or wipe
with his left hand.

The US did pretty good when BC was around for 8 years - some pretty
impressive growth, even for an upward trend.
Kurgan666
2004-01-05 19:57:08 UTC
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Post by Dunnett
If a leader is doing even a half assed job of running a country, I
don't care about his personal life.
I don't vote based on my belief the person I am voting for will remain
monogamous, remain thin, remain fat, quit smoking, floss daily or wipe
with his left hand.
The US did pretty good when BC was around for 8 years - some pretty
impressive growth, even for an upward trend.
I suppose you'll be congratulating Bush for pulling the U.S. out of
the recession, yes? By all current accounts, the U.S. is doing pretty
good under his administration -- high productivity, consumer spending
up, stock market up, GDP up, etc, etc.
Howard Hess
2004-01-05 18:12:37 UTC
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Post by Mark Rance
Chris,
Smiley noted but you're egregiously missing he point. The idea is not the
facade or the physical appeal of the person (in public office) to attract
suitors that is at play here. It is the accountability and adherence to the
vows those same people swore to, from whatever party, when they married
their mates!
-Mark
Mark,

I honestly care less about a president's accountability and adherence
to her or his wedding vows, frat/sorority pledge, religion-of-choice's
rite of passage or any pledge other than that to preserve, protect and
defend the Constitution of the United States.

This shouldn't be too controversial by now. It's been 43 years since
Kennedy had to address the issue of whether a Catholic could be
president without subordinating his judgment to that of the Pope.
Glenn Dowdy
2004-01-02 16:51:06 UTC
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Post by George Lawrence
It turns out one of the prior romps with interns was by Kennedy. Let's see,
was Kennedy a democrat or a republican?
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/83791p-76600c.html
Ike had his English mistress commissioned as a US Army officer in WWII.
Infidelity knows no political boundaries.

Glenn D.
George Lawrence
2004-01-03 06:31:17 UTC
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Yes, very typical of Republicans to choose women old enough to have
menstrual cycles and pubic hair!
:-). Both Eisenhower and Somersby said that it was not consumated:
http://www.arts.mcgill.ca/programs/history/faculty/TROYWEB/WithIkeRumorsWere
SteamierThanFacts.htm

I don't know the figures but I would think it a safe bet to say that most
men have cheated on a wife at some point. What made Clinton and Kennedy
particularly pathetic and repulsive is that they took advantage of naive,
very young women interns who were in their employ instead of sticking with
fully grown mature women. The Democrat party would do good to make a "no
female intern" rule for their stays in the white house! :-) Dean looks like
he could use a good blow job. You might want to choose Lieberman in the
primary. He looks like he might have his sexual impulses under control. :-).
I actually like Lieberman. Shame he's not a Republican. I'm sorry, Clinton
and his dick and his lesbian wife and all their low class greedy shenanigans
and lying are why I left the Democrat party. It will take the Democrats a
long time to overcome the damage that man did to them and to the office.

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George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800

"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
It turns out one of the prior romps with interns was by Kennedy. Let's
see,
Post by George Lawrence
was Kennedy a democrat or a republican?
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/83791p-76600c.html
Ike had his English mistress commissioned as a US Army officer in WWII.
Infidelity knows no political boundaries.
Glenn D.
Glenn Dowdy
2004-01-03 16:45:37 UTC
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Post by George Lawrence
Yes, very typical of Republicans to choose women old enough to have
menstrual cycles and pubic hair!
George, hyperbole is just that; I don't believe that either JFK or Clinton
engaged in affairs with women not of legal age.
"I didn't inhale". I tend not to believe those tales, but I'm well known in
these parts as a cynic.
Post by George Lawrence
I don't know the figures but I would think it a safe bet to say that most
men have cheated on a wife at some point. What made Clinton and Kennedy
particularly pathetic and repulsive is that they took advantage of naive,
very young women interns who were in their employ instead of sticking with
fully grown mature women.
The Bible doesn't differentiate between levels of sin.
Post by George Lawrence
I'm sorry, Clinton
and his dick and his lesbian wife and all their low class greedy shenanigans
and lying are why I left the Democrat party. It will take the Democrats a
long time to overcome the damage that man did to them and to the office.
But did he actually hurt the country? I think that the office of the
Presidency has been slowly losing its prestige with every President since
JFK.

Glenn D.
b***@iwaynet.net
2004-01-03 20:39:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Glenn Dowdy
But did he actually hurt the country? I think that the office of the
Presidency has been slowly losing its prestige with every President since
JFK.
Um, that would be FDR!

Benj
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Glenn Dowdy
2004-01-04 00:28:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by b***@iwaynet.net
Post by Glenn Dowdy
But did he actually hurt the country? I think that the office of the
Presidency has been slowly losing its prestige with every President since
JFK.
Um, that would be FDR!
I'd say that Truman and Eisenhower were blips backward, so to speak.

Glenn D.
George Lawrence
2004-01-04 02:49:49 UTC
Permalink
I'm not calling it a sin. I don't believe in "sin" per se. I'm saying they
were stupid and irresponsible.

--
George Lawrence
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"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
Yes, very typical of Republicans to choose women old enough to have
menstrual cycles and pubic hair!
George, hyperbole is just that; I don't believe that either JFK or Clinton
engaged in affairs with women not of legal age.
"I didn't inhale". I tend not to believe those tales, but I'm well known in
these parts as a cynic.
Post by George Lawrence
I don't know the figures but I would think it a safe bet to say that most
men have cheated on a wife at some point. What made Clinton and Kennedy
particularly pathetic and repulsive is that they took advantage of naive,
very young women interns who were in their employ instead of sticking
with
Post by George Lawrence
fully grown mature women.
The Bible doesn't differentiate between levels of sin.
Post by George Lawrence
I'm sorry, Clinton
and his dick and his lesbian wife and all their low class greedy
shenanigans
Post by George Lawrence
and lying are why I left the Democrat party. It will take the Democrats a
long time to overcome the damage that man did to them and to the office.
But did he actually hurt the country? I think that the office of the
Presidency has been slowly losing its prestige with every President since
JFK.
Glenn D.
Michael Fell
2004-01-04 03:21:40 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 02:49:49 GMT, "George Lawrence"
Post by George Lawrence
I'm not calling it a sin. I don't believe in "sin" per se. I'm saying they
were stupid and irresponsible.
Irresponsible= sin

Mike
George Lawrence
2004-01-04 06:34:12 UTC
Permalink
No, irresponsibility and stupidity are not sins. If they were you would be
going to hell. :-) To be more accurate, irresponsibility is not one of the
many sins against the Christian law of God that are spelled out in the
Bible.

--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
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"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Michael Fell
On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 02:49:49 GMT, "George Lawrence"
Post by George Lawrence
I'm not calling it a sin. I don't believe in "sin" per se. I'm saying they
were stupid and irresponsible.
Irresponsible= sin
Mike
Glenn Dowdy
2004-01-04 07:36:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by George Lawrence
No, irresponsibility and stupidity are not sins. If they were you would be
going to hell. :-)
Nah, that's the great thing about Christianity. All your sins are washed
away. It appears that irresponsibility and stupidity are still here, so that
proves your point.

Glenn D.
Mark Rance
2004-01-04 11:22:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by George Lawrence
No, irresponsibility and stupidity are not sins. If they were you would be
going to hell. :-)
Actually, according to doctrine, they are. Repentance, however, can save
one from going to Hell.

-Mark
Glenn Dowdy
2004-01-04 17:21:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mark Rance
Post by George Lawrence
No, irresponsibility and stupidity are not sins. If they were you would be
going to hell. :-)
Actually, according to doctrine, they are.
Which doctrine?

Glenn D.
Dunnett
2004-01-04 22:03:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Michael Fell
Irresponsible= sin
Get thee to a nunnery.
Glenn Dowdy
2004-01-04 06:26:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by George Lawrence
I'm not calling it a sin. I don't believe in "sin" per se. I'm saying they
were stupid and irresponsible.
No disagreement there. Is sleeping with a 21 year old more stupid and
irresponsible than sleeping with a, say, 35 year old, if you're married and
neither is your wife?

Glenn D.
George Lawrence
2004-01-04 06:50:41 UTC
Permalink
Yes, if you are in your fifties or so, like Clinton, and especially if the
21 year old is employed by you, it is a more grievous offense. 21 year old
women are legally adults, but emotionally most are not mature or wise enough
to make a choice in the matter and the man is knowingly taking advantage of
their vanity, gullibility, youth and inexperience and taking advantage of
his position. The average thirty five year old woman is just as guilty as
the man and can't plead innocence (Unless it was rape or assault as some
women have claimed of Clinton).

--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
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"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
I'm not calling it a sin. I don't believe in "sin" per se. I'm saying they
were stupid and irresponsible.
No disagreement there. Is sleeping with a 21 year old more stupid and
irresponsible than sleeping with a, say, 35 year old, if you're married and
neither is your wife?
Glenn D.
Matt Porter
2004-01-04 07:24:31 UTC
Permalink
Just exactly where is the cutoff age for this emotional maturity and wisdom
of which you babble?

Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Yes, if you are in your fifties or so, like Clinton, and especially if the
21 year old is employed by you, it is a more grievous offense. 21 year old
women are legally adults, but emotionally most are not mature or wise enough
to make a choice in the matter and the man is knowingly taking advantage of
their vanity, gullibility, youth and inexperience and taking advantage of
his position. The average thirty five year old woman is just as guilty as
the man and can't plead innocence (Unless it was rape or assault as some
women have claimed of Clinton).
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
I'm not calling it a sin. I don't believe in "sin" per se. I'm saying
they
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
were stupid and irresponsible.
No disagreement there. Is sleeping with a 21 year old more stupid and
irresponsible than sleeping with a, say, 35 year old, if you're married
and
Post by Glenn Dowdy
neither is your wife?
Glenn D.
George Lawrence
2004-01-04 23:00:19 UTC
Permalink
Believe it or not I actually have a number for you. I think that the average
western
person doesn't really mature until about thirty years old. I think it takes
a good ten years worth of self sufficency, learning from mistakes and being
out of the parent's nest before one has enough life experiences upon which
to draw . Just a personal observation. I resent the "babble" implication.
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800

"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Matt Porter
Just exactly where is the cutoff age for this emotional maturity and wisdom
of which you babble?
Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Yes, if you are in your fifties or so, like Clinton, and especially if the
21 year old is employed by you, it is a more grievous offense. 21 year old
women are legally adults, but emotionally most are not mature or wise
enough
Post by George Lawrence
to make a choice in the matter and the man is knowingly taking
advantage
Post by Matt Porter
of
Post by George Lawrence
their vanity, gullibility, youth and inexperience and taking advantage of
his position. The average thirty five year old woman is just as guilty as
the man and can't plead innocence (Unless it was rape or assault as some
women have claimed of Clinton).
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
I'm not calling it a sin. I don't believe in "sin" per se. I'm saying
they
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
were stupid and irresponsible.
No disagreement there. Is sleeping with a 21 year old more stupid and
irresponsible than sleeping with a, say, 35 year old, if you're married
and
Post by Glenn Dowdy
neither is your wife?
Glenn D.
Glenn Dowdy
2004-01-04 23:53:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by George Lawrence
Believe it or not I actually have a number for you. I think that the average
western
person doesn't really mature until about thirty years old. I think it takes
a good ten years worth of self sufficency, learning from mistakes and being
out of the parent's nest before one has enough life experiences upon which
to draw . Just a personal observation. I resent the "babble" implication.
What's scary about your age number is that nearly all lieutenants and
captains in the Army and Marines are commanding before then. LT's may have
NCO "supervision" but company commanders are definitely in charge.

Glenn D.
George Lawrence
2004-01-05 04:32:34 UTC
Permalink
I think those officers would fall way under the curve. the training and
discipline of the military would weed out most of the immature.

--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
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Copley, Ohio 44321
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http://www.Drumguru.com
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"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by George Lawrence
Post by George Lawrence
Believe it or not I actually have a number for you. I think that the
average
Post by George Lawrence
western
person doesn't really mature until about thirty years old. I think it
takes
Post by George Lawrence
a good ten years worth of self sufficency, learning from mistakes and
being
Post by George Lawrence
out of the parent's nest before one has enough life experiences upon which
to draw . Just a personal observation. I resent the "babble"
implication.
Post by George Lawrence
What's scary about your age number is that nearly all lieutenants and
captains in the Army and Marines are commanding before then. LT's may have
NCO "supervision" but company commanders are definitely in charge.
Glenn D.
Glenn Dowdy
2004-01-05 06:38:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by George Lawrence
I think those officers would fall way under the curve. the training and
discipline of the military would weed out most of the immature.
For the most part, yes. Unfortunately, it hasn't always been true.

Glenn D.
Kirt Wingard
2004-01-05 00:01:06 UTC
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"George Lawrence" <***@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:7W0Kb.20648$P%***@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com...
: Believe it or not I actually have a number for you. I think that the
average
: western
: person doesn't really mature until about thirty years old. I think it
takes
: a good ten years worth of self sufficency, learning from mistakes and
being
: out of the parent's nest before one has enough life experiences upon which
: to draw . Just a personal observation. I resent the "babble" implication.


"It's like they say: if you're not a rebel by age of twenty then you have
no heart, but if you haven't turned establishment by the time you're thirty
then you've got no brains." -Buddy Ackerman (Kevin Spacey) in "Swimming
with Sharks", Written & Directed by George Huang, Trimark (1998)

/kirt
--
"If I don't teach the kids about the blues, who will?"
-Dr. Johnny Fever of "WKRP in Cincinnati"
Matt Porter
2004-01-05 03:44:01 UTC
Permalink
It was not an "implication". It was a statement. I am sorry you resent it.
It was a blanket statement for some blanket nonsense. And some of the most
immature westerners I have ever encountered are well past thirty with no
hope in sight. A random sampling would most certainly include some of the
contributors to this thread.

Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Believe it or not I actually have a number for you. I think that the average
western
person doesn't really mature until about thirty years old. I think it takes
a good ten years worth of self sufficency, learning from mistakes and being
out of the parent's nest before one has enough life experiences upon which
to draw . Just a personal observation. I resent the "babble" implication.
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Matt Porter
Just exactly where is the cutoff age for this emotional maturity and
wisdom
Post by Matt Porter
of which you babble?
Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Yes, if you are in your fifties or so, like Clinton, and especially if
the
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
21 year old is employed by you, it is a more grievous offense. 21 year
old
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
women are legally adults, but emotionally most are not mature or wise
enough
Post by George Lawrence
to make a choice in the matter and the man is knowingly taking
advantage
Post by Matt Porter
of
Post by George Lawrence
their vanity, gullibility, youth and inexperience and taking advantage
of
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
his position. The average thirty five year old woman is just as guilty
as
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
the man and can't plead innocence (Unless it was rape or assault as some
women have claimed of Clinton).
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
I'm not calling it a sin. I don't believe in "sin" per se. I'm
saying
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
they
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
were stupid and irresponsible.
No disagreement there. Is sleeping with a 21 year old more stupid and
irresponsible than sleeping with a, say, 35 year old, if you're
married
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
and
Post by Glenn Dowdy
neither is your wife?
Glenn D.
George Lawrence
2004-01-05 04:33:37 UTC
Permalink
I'm sorry you see my observations as nonsense. Please don't ever ask my
advice again and we'll both be happy.

--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800

"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Matt Porter
It was not an "implication". It was a statement. I am sorry you resent it.
It was a blanket statement for some blanket nonsense. And some of the most
immature westerners I have ever encountered are well past thirty with no
hope in sight. A random sampling would most certainly include some of the
contributors to this thread.
Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Believe it or not I actually have a number for you. I think that the
average
Post by George Lawrence
western
person doesn't really mature until about thirty years old. I think it
takes
Post by George Lawrence
a good ten years worth of self sufficency, learning from mistakes and
being
Post by George Lawrence
out of the parent's nest before one has enough life experiences upon which
to draw . Just a personal observation. I resent the "babble"
implication.
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Matt Porter
Just exactly where is the cutoff age for this emotional maturity and
wisdom
Post by Matt Porter
of which you babble?
Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Yes, if you are in your fifties or so, like Clinton, and especially if
the
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
21 year old is employed by you, it is a more grievous offense. 21 year
old
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
women are legally adults, but emotionally most are not mature or wise
enough
Post by George Lawrence
to make a choice in the matter and the man is knowingly taking
advantage
Post by Matt Porter
of
Post by George Lawrence
their vanity, gullibility, youth and inexperience and taking advantage
of
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
his position. The average thirty five year old woman is just as guilty
as
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
the man and can't plead innocence (Unless it was rape or assault as
some
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
women have claimed of Clinton).
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
I'm not calling it a sin. I don't believe in "sin" per se. I'm
saying
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
they
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
were stupid and irresponsible.
No disagreement there. Is sleeping with a 21 year old more stupid
and
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Glenn Dowdy
irresponsible than sleeping with a, say, 35 year old, if you're
married
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
and
Post by Glenn Dowdy
neither is your wife?
Glenn D.
Matt Porter
2004-01-05 06:29:59 UTC
Permalink
I never asked for your advice. I responded to your assertion that "most
men have cheated on a wife at some point." This is an incredibly cynical
and offensive statement. Most men have never done such a thing. Just as
50% of marriages fail, thus 50% succeed. And of the 50% that fail, 80% of
those fail because of financial stress and NOT infidelity. Ask any marriage
counselor if you are not satisfied with my figures. Therefore, your
statement is nonsense.
You then state that Clinton and Kennedy "took advantage of naive, very young
women interns who were in their employ instead of sticking with fully grown
mature women" as if (1): These interns were vapid airheads that somehow
magically got their position instead of very intelligent women who earned
their place in a very important and heavily sought after position.
Nonsense. (2): That the women somehow missed the fact that these were
married men thus making them eligible to date. Nonsense. (3a): That it
was the men who shoulder the sole responsibility for pursuing the
relationship. Nonsense. (3b): That even if 3a were true, that the women
were incapable of saying NO in the early stages thus avoiding any
impropriety in the first place. Nonsense (4): That committing adultery with
older women is somehow less egregious. Nonsense. You then joke: "The
Democrat party would do good to make a "no female intern" rule for their
stays in the white house! :-) " as if Democrats are the only members of the
government who have ever abused their position with interns. Nonsense. The
Republicans are just as guilty of this kind of behavior. In many ways, the
abuses of power the Republicans have shown since the Clinton's Health care
package failed was nothing short of criminal. Verging on treason in some
cases (ex. Ken Star) (flame suit on and ready). The joke: "Dean looks like
he could use a good blow job. You might want to choose Lieberman in the
primary. He looks like he might have his sexual impulses under control. :-)"
is tired. Besides if anyone could use a blowjob it is King George the
Pretender. I'll grant you neither Dean nor Leiberman are the answer, but
Bush's presidency is far from a sparkling success. The fact that the
Republicans refuse to acknowledge it is not surprising, but the level of
support they are throwing behind this man is starting to look desperate or
naive. I'm not sure which. I AM sure that the conservative right and their
Republican lackeys are becoming less and less about American rights,
freedoms, and the rule of law, and more and more about a Machiavellian "the
ends justify the means" strategy. The rest of your statement can be summed
up in yet another "I hate the Clintons" insult. The Republicans spent
nearly eight years manufacturing and trotting out scandal after scandal
spending millions of taxpayer (that's you and me) money none of which came
to anything. Even Star had nothing after all his harassment. They finally
impeached Bill on lying about something that is not even illegal. It may be
immoral and you and I and the rest of the country might find it offensive,
but it was not illegal. And the impeachment failed. After eight years the
Republicans and their supporters accomplished next to nothing. Bush got in
office because: the Clinton scandal was still warm, Gore was awful in all
three televised debates, and because the Supreme Court had one more Bush
supporter than Gore supporter. Underwhelming to say the least. If you left
the Dems for that to go to the Republicans, I wish you well. I have never
been a supporter of either party, but I don't trust any of the Republicans
anymore. That fiasco in California was it for me. Stealing elections in
mid-stream because they can't win them otherwise is appalling.

Matt Porter
(And I will continue to ask your drumming advice tho our politics differs.
And you will continue to give it, because you, like all of us, can't help
yourself and wouldn't want to if you could. And I will still consider you a
friend despite all of the differences in opinion. After all, isn't drumming
a lot more important than this junk?) ;-)
Post by George Lawrence
I'm sorry you see my observations as nonsense. Please don't ever ask my
advice again and we'll both be happy.
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Matt Porter
It was not an "implication". It was a statement. I am sorry you resent
it.
Post by Matt Porter
It was a blanket statement for some blanket nonsense. And some of the
most
Post by Matt Porter
immature westerners I have ever encountered are well past thirty with no
hope in sight. A random sampling would most certainly include some of the
contributors to this thread.
Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Believe it or not I actually have a number for you. I think that the
average
Post by George Lawrence
western
person doesn't really mature until about thirty years old. I think it
takes
Post by George Lawrence
a good ten years worth of self sufficency, learning from mistakes and
being
Post by George Lawrence
out of the parent's nest before one has enough life experiences upon
which
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
to draw . Just a personal observation. I resent the "babble"
implication.
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Matt Porter
Just exactly where is the cutoff age for this emotional maturity and
wisdom
Post by Matt Porter
of which you babble?
Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Yes, if you are in your fifties or so, like Clinton, and
especially
Post by George Lawrence
if
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
the
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
21 year old is employed by you, it is a more grievous offense. 21
year
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
old
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
women are legally adults, but emotionally most are not mature or
wise
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
enough
Post by George Lawrence
to make a choice in the matter and the man is knowingly taking
advantage
Post by Matt Porter
of
Post by George Lawrence
their vanity, gullibility, youth and inexperience and taking
advantage
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
of
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
his position. The average thirty five year old woman is just as
guilty
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
as
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
the man and can't plead innocence (Unless it was rape or assault as
some
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
women have claimed of Clinton).
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
I'm not calling it a sin. I don't believe in "sin" per se. I'm
saying
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
they
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
were stupid and irresponsible.
No disagreement there. Is sleeping with a 21 year old more stupid
and
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Glenn Dowdy
irresponsible than sleeping with a, say, 35 year old, if you're
married
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
and
Post by Glenn Dowdy
neither is your wife?
Glenn D.
George Lawrence
2004-01-05 13:43:10 UTC
Permalink
I looked at several different polls and the number averages around 45% for
men cheating on their wives. I'll give you the numbers on that one but my
point remains the same. As for Clinton and Kennedy I stand by my statements;
The sexual improprieties with 21 year olds in their employment is a bigger
offense than with more mature women not in their employment. As for
Republican vs. Democrats and sex in the white house, the Democrats are ahead
by a mile and Clinton was the jockey on the winning horse. Maybe we should
argue about the age and maturity of the women he sexually harrassed and
raped? The impeachment did not fail. He was successfully impeached. Maybe
you meant he didn't resign or get fired. The point of the impeachment was to
prove that he is a sexual predator and it was proven. Clinton was disbarred
from the Supreme court and the Arkansas bar suspended him. He left the
presidency in disgrace and did major damage to the Democrat party. He lost
the support of those who voted for him including me.

The results of theBush/Gore recounts was Gore losing every time. Nobody
stole anything. The Supreme court would have had to enforce the law no
matter who was sitting. The blame in California is on Davis. As for my
jokes, call them nonsense if you want. They are just jokes, but my
political opinions are not babbling nonsense. If they were you wouldn't be
responding to them and challenging me. You are intelligent enough to refrain
from ad hominems in an "unimportant" political discussion. :-)

--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800

"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Matt Porter
I never asked for your advice. I responded to your assertion that "most
men have cheated on a wife at some point." This is an incredibly cynical
and offensive statement. Most men have never done such a thing. Just as
50% of marriages fail, thus 50% succeed. And of the 50% that fail, 80% of
those fail because of financial stress and NOT infidelity. Ask any marriage
counselor if you are not satisfied with my figures. Therefore, your
statement is nonsense.
You then state that Clinton and Kennedy "took advantage of naive, very young
women interns who were in their employ instead of sticking with fully grown
mature women" as if (1): These interns were vapid airheads that somehow
magically got their position instead of very intelligent women who earned
their place in a very important and heavily sought after position.
Nonsense. (2): That the women somehow missed the fact that these were
married men thus making them eligible to date. Nonsense. (3a): That it
was the men who shoulder the sole responsibility for pursuing the
relationship. Nonsense. (3b): That even if 3a were true, that the women
were incapable of saying NO in the early stages thus avoiding any
impropriety in the first place. Nonsense (4): That committing adultery with
older women is somehow less egregious. Nonsense. You then joke: "The
Democrat party would do good to make a "no female intern" rule for their
stays in the white house! :-) " as if Democrats are the only members of the
government who have ever abused their position with interns. Nonsense.
The
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Republicans are just as guilty of this kind of behavior. In many ways, the
abuses of power the Republicans have shown since the Clinton's Health care
package failed was nothing short of criminal. Verging on treason in some
cases (ex. Ken Star) (flame suit on and ready). The joke: "Dean looks like
he could use a good blow job. You might want to choose Lieberman in the
primary. He looks like he might have his sexual impulses under control. :-)"
is tired. Besides if anyone could use a blowjob it is King George the
Pretender. I'll grant you neither Dean nor Leiberman are the answer, but
Bush's presidency is far from a sparkling success. The fact that the
Republicans refuse to acknowledge it is not surprising, but the level of
support they are throwing behind this man is starting to look desperate or
naive. I'm not sure which. I AM sure that the conservative right and their
Republican lackeys are becoming less and less about American rights,
freedoms, and the rule of law, and more and more about a Machiavellian "the
ends justify the means" strategy. The rest of your statement can be summed
up in yet another "I hate the Clintons" insult. The Republicans spent
nearly eight years manufacturing and trotting out scandal after scandal
spending millions of taxpayer (that's you and me) money none of which came
to anything. Even Star had nothing after all his harassment. They finally
impeached Bill on lying about something that is not even illegal. It may be
immoral and you and I and the rest of the country might find it offensive,
but it was not illegal. And the impeachment failed. After eight years the
Republicans and their supporters accomplished next to nothing. Bush got in
office because: the Clinton scandal was still warm, Gore was awful in all
three televised debates, and because the Supreme Court had one more Bush
supporter than Gore supporter. Underwhelming to say the least. If you left
the Dems for that to go to the Republicans, I wish you well. I have never
been a supporter of either party, but I don't trust any of the Republicans
anymore. That fiasco in California was it for me. Stealing elections in
mid-stream because they can't win them otherwise is appalling.
Matt Porter
(And I will continue to ask your drumming advice tho our politics differs.
And you will continue to give it, because you, like all of us, can't help
yourself and wouldn't want to if you could. And I will still consider you a
friend despite all of the differences in opinion. After all, isn't drumming
a lot more important than this junk?) ;-)
Post by George Lawrence
I'm sorry you see my observations as nonsense. Please don't ever ask my
advice again and we'll both be happy.
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Matt Porter
It was not an "implication". It was a statement. I am sorry you resent
it.
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It was a blanket statement for some blanket nonsense. And some of the
most
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immature westerners I have ever encountered are well past thirty with no
hope in sight. A random sampling would most certainly include some of
the
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contributors to this thread.
Matt Porter
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Believe it or not I actually have a number for you. I think that the
average
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western
person doesn't really mature until about thirty years old. I think it
takes
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a good ten years worth of self sufficency, learning from mistakes and
being
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out of the parent's nest before one has enough life experiences upon
which
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to draw . Just a personal observation. I resent the "babble"
implication.
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Post by George Lawrence
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Matt Porter
Just exactly where is the cutoff age for this emotional maturity and
wisdom
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of which you babble?
Matt Porter
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Yes, if you are in your fifties or so, like Clinton, and
especially
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if
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the
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21 year old is employed by you, it is a more grievous offense. 21
year
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old
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women are legally adults, but emotionally most are not mature or
wise
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enough
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to make a choice in the matter and the man is knowingly taking
advantage
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of
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their vanity, gullibility, youth and inexperience and taking
advantage
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of
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his position. The average thirty five year old woman is just as
guilty
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as
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the man and can't plead innocence (Unless it was rape or assault
as
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some
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women have claimed of Clinton).
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
I'm not calling it a sin. I don't believe in "sin" per se. I'm
saying
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they
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were stupid and irresponsible.
No disagreement there. Is sleeping with a 21 year old more
stupid
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and
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irresponsible than sleeping with a, say, 35 year old, if you're
married
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and
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neither is your wife?
Glenn D.
Matt Porter
2004-01-06 00:05:56 UTC
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In my post I count eight "Nonsense" statements and/or implications
regarding: the majority of men cheat, women prior to thirty are incapable of
good judgment, that men are solely responsible for the afore mentioned
cheating, that the afore mentioned affairs would have been better if they
had been with older women, and that only Democrats are capable of sexual
impropriety with their underlings. I see nothing there that is not
"Nonsense". You even concede the first point. String that many nonsense
phrases together and it equals a babble. As to the jokes, I said they were
tired not nonsense and followed with my own BJ comment. By the way, if
anyone needs a BJ it is me! I would prefer to see me get one before anyone
else either of us has mentioned. :-) After that it was a political
discussion none of which I included in the "babbling nonsense." Re-read my
post and see if I am misrepresenting anything I have just said.
And yes, the impeachment DID fail. Yes, Clinton was impeached but that
is just the name of the process designed to remove a sitting President. We
don't have trials without an expectation of a verdict or to make a "point".
The impeachment was not started to "prove that he is a sexual predator " nor
was such a thing "proven". The impeachment was started because he lied to
Congress about something that was not illegal and not their business. I do
not condone his behavior, but neither do I condone the grounds on which the
impeachment was charged and carried out. The impeachment did not find
enough evidence of wrong doing to unseat a sitting president and that was
that. The LATER fallout was that Clinton was shown to be an adulterer with
a curious taste in women (all of them) and activities (cigar) in
inappropriate locations (his office) none of which is illegal. Icky, yes.
Illegal, no. [ Kennedy at least banged Marilyn Monroe. I can jokingly
respect that. ;-) ] None of that will even raise the eyebrow of your
local prosecutor unless the girl is under 18 for most states (she wasn't),
the sex no matter how kinky was non-consensual (both consented), or the
location was public (the oval office is the PRIVATE office of the President
just as the White House has private bedrooms, bathrooms, etc. that , while
owned and offered by the people, are not open to the public nor are they
required to follow the conduct dictated by the populace.) The disbarments
and suspensions were slaps on the wrist for a lawyer who hasn't practiced
law since he was the attorney general of Arkansas decades ago. It was
recognized and accepted as such. Clinton was never accused of "raping"
anyone. To exaggerate his conduct to that level diminishes the trauma true
rape victims suffer and softens the violence of a true rapist. I wish the
Republicans would stop such vulgar rhetoric. As to your last statement, "He
left the presidency in disgrace and did major damage to the Democrat party.
He lost the support of those who voted for him including me." I must agree.
It was a shame as he could have left quite a good legacy and assured us of
four more years under a Democratic president. I don't however blame the
Dems for his failings as a man. The sex and lying about it was that of a
weak man, not of a bad political party.

Matt Porter
(I remain surprised that with all the stuff people call you in here, that my
accusing you of one "babbling" statement has wounded you so.)
Post by George Lawrence
I looked at several different polls and the number averages around 45% for
men cheating on their wives. I'll give you the numbers on that one but my
point remains the same. As for Clinton and Kennedy I stand by my statements;
The sexual improprieties with 21 year olds in their employment is a bigger
offense than with more mature women not in their employment. As for
Republican vs. Democrats and sex in the white house, the Democrats are ahead
by a mile and Clinton was the jockey on the winning horse. Maybe we should
argue about the age and maturity of the women he sexually harrassed and
raped? The impeachment did not fail. He was successfully impeached. Maybe
you meant he didn't resign or get fired. The point of the impeachment was to
prove that he is a sexual predator and it was proven. Clinton was disbarred
from the Supreme court and the Arkansas bar suspended him. He left the
presidency in disgrace and did major damage to the Democrat party. He lost
the support of those who voted for him including me.
The results of theBush/Gore recounts was Gore losing every time. Nobody
stole anything. The Supreme court would have had to enforce the law no
matter who was sitting. The blame in California is on Davis. As for my
jokes, call them nonsense if you want. They are just jokes, but my
political opinions are not babbling nonsense. If they were you wouldn't be
responding to them and challenging me. You are intelligent enough to refrain
from ad hominems in an "unimportant" political discussion. :-)
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Matt Porter
I never asked for your advice. I responded to your assertion that
"most
Post by Matt Porter
men have cheated on a wife at some point." This is an incredibly cynical
and offensive statement. Most men have never done such a thing. Just as
50% of marriages fail, thus 50% succeed. And of the 50% that fail, 80% of
those fail because of financial stress and NOT infidelity. Ask any
marriage
Post by Matt Porter
counselor if you are not satisfied with my figures. Therefore, your
statement is nonsense.
You then state that Clinton and Kennedy "took advantage of naive, very
young
Post by Matt Porter
women interns who were in their employ instead of sticking with fully
grown
Post by Matt Porter
mature women" as if (1): These interns were vapid airheads that somehow
magically got their position instead of very intelligent women who earned
their place in a very important and heavily sought after position.
Nonsense. (2): That the women somehow missed the fact that these were
married men thus making them eligible to date. Nonsense. (3a): That it
was the men who shoulder the sole responsibility for pursuing the
relationship. Nonsense. (3b): That even if 3a were true, that the women
were incapable of saying NO in the early stages thus avoiding any
impropriety in the first place. Nonsense (4): That committing adultery
with
Post by Matt Porter
older women is somehow less egregious. Nonsense. You then joke: "The
Democrat party would do good to make a "no female intern" rule for their
stays in the white house! :-) " as if Democrats are the only members of
the
Post by Matt Porter
government who have ever abused their position with interns. Nonsense.
The
Post by Matt Porter
Republicans are just as guilty of this kind of behavior. In many ways,
the
Post by Matt Porter
abuses of power the Republicans have shown since the Clinton's Health care
package failed was nothing short of criminal. Verging on treason in some
cases (ex. Ken Star) (flame suit on and ready). The joke: "Dean looks
like
Post by Matt Porter
he could use a good blow job. You might want to choose Lieberman in the
primary. He looks like he might have his sexual impulses under control.
:-)"
Post by Matt Porter
is tired. Besides if anyone could use a blowjob it is King George the
Pretender. I'll grant you neither Dean nor Leiberman are the answer, but
Bush's presidency is far from a sparkling success. The fact that the
Republicans refuse to acknowledge it is not surprising, but the level of
support they are throwing behind this man is starting to look desperate or
naive. I'm not sure which. I AM sure that the conservative right and
their
Post by Matt Porter
Republican lackeys are becoming less and less about American rights,
freedoms, and the rule of law, and more and more about a Machiavellian
"the
Post by Matt Porter
ends justify the means" strategy. The rest of your statement can be
summed
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up in yet another "I hate the Clintons" insult. The Republicans spent
nearly eight years manufacturing and trotting out scandal after scandal
spending millions of taxpayer (that's you and me) money none of which came
to anything. Even Star had nothing after all his harassment. They
finally
Post by Matt Porter
impeached Bill on lying about something that is not even illegal. It
may
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be
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immoral and you and I and the rest of the country might find it offensive,
but it was not illegal. And the impeachment failed. After eight years
the
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Republicans and their supporters accomplished next to nothing. Bush got
in
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office because: the Clinton scandal was still warm, Gore was awful in all
three televised debates, and because the Supreme Court had one more Bush
supporter than Gore supporter. Underwhelming to say the least. If you
left
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the Dems for that to go to the Republicans, I wish you well. I have never
been a supporter of either party, but I don't trust any of the Republicans
anymore. That fiasco in California was it for me. Stealing elections in
mid-stream because they can't win them otherwise is appalling.
Matt Porter
(And I will continue to ask your drumming advice tho our politics differs.
And you will continue to give it, because you, like all of us, can't help
yourself and wouldn't want to if you could. And I will still consider
you
Post by George Lawrence
a
Post by Matt Porter
friend despite all of the differences in opinion. After all, isn't
drumming
Post by Matt Porter
a lot more important than this junk?) ;-)
Post by George Lawrence
I'm sorry you see my observations as nonsense. Please don't ever ask my
advice again and we'll both be happy.
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Matt Porter
It was not an "implication". It was a statement. I am sorry you
resent
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
it.
Post by Matt Porter
It was a blanket statement for some blanket nonsense. And some of the
most
Post by Matt Porter
immature westerners I have ever encountered are well past thirty
with
Post by George Lawrence
no
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
hope in sight. A random sampling would most certainly include some of
the
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
contributors to this thread.
Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Believe it or not I actually have a number for you. I think that the
average
Post by George Lawrence
western
person doesn't really mature until about thirty years old. I think
it
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
takes
Post by George Lawrence
a good ten years worth of self sufficency, learning from mistakes
and
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
being
Post by George Lawrence
out of the parent's nest before one has enough life experiences upon
which
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
to draw . Just a personal observation. I resent the "babble"
implication.
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Matt Porter
Just exactly where is the cutoff age for this emotional maturity
and
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Post by George Lawrence
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wisdom
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of which you babble?
Matt Porter
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Yes, if you are in your fifties or so, like Clinton, and
especially
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if
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the
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21 year old is employed by you, it is a more grievous offense.
21
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year
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old
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women are legally adults, but emotionally most are not mature or
wise
Post by Matt Porter
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enough
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to make a choice in the matter and the man is knowingly taking
advantage
Post by Matt Porter
of
Post by George Lawrence
their vanity, gullibility, youth and inexperience and taking
advantage
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
of
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his position. The average thirty five year old woman is just as
guilty
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
as
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the man and can't plead innocence (Unless it was rape or assault
as
Post by George Lawrence
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some
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
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women have claimed of Clinton).
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
I'm not calling it a sin. I don't believe in "sin" per se.
I'm
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
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saying
Post by Matt Porter
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they
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were stupid and irresponsible.
No disagreement there. Is sleeping with a 21 year old more
stupid
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and
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irresponsible than sleeping with a, say, 35 year old, if
you're
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married
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and
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neither is your wife?
Glenn D.
George Lawrence
2004-01-06 04:11:34 UTC
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Matt,

respectfully,

I can characterize others' opinions as nonsense and making things up too
but I don't, unless I have factual proof, because it would be insulting.
Calling someone's opinions nonsense is the same as calling someone a
brainless idiot. Just because you do not agree with my opinions does not
make them nonsense. I try to base my opinions on facts and experience. I'm
not always right and I don't mind my errors being pointed out, but I think
you are quick to reply without having researched the factual basis. If you
can prove that if someone is ignorant, having no knowledge of the facts,
then their statements can be called nonsense, which means that the
statements don't make any sense. You haven't proven that with me, but I will
prove it here with you by showing that some of the statements you have made
don't make sense. Please note that I am not attacking your opinions or
rewording your claims, putting words in your mouth as you have so done with
me.

Impeachment: a proceeding in which accusations are brought by a legislative
branch of a government against civil officials (chiefs of state, cabinet
members, and judges). The process is frequently mistaken as including the
indictment and the trial phase. This definition will be found in any
popular dictionary.

The impeachment of Clinton was successful since the success of impeachment
means that the accused shows up and answers the questions. The impeachment
was for lying under oath to a grand jury, in civil dispositions and in the
Jones case and for obstruction of justice. It succeeded in presenting the
evidence. The following senate trial and his acquittal are different
processes from the impeachment. Clinton escaped indictment in the Lewinsky
case on his last day in office by striking a deal with the independent
counsel: http://fpeng.peopledaily.com.cn/200101/20/eng20010120_60951.html So
your statement about the impeachment being a failure doesn't make sense,
literally.

Did the Republicans succeed in dragging him through the mud? My opinion is
yes, resoundingly, they were successful in their goals. Their goal was never
to unseat him. That would have put Gore in the Oval Office with a great
chance for re-election. That he wouldn't be unseated was a forgone
conclusion. I asked Fred Thompson this at a party in Nashville and he
explained why it would never come to that. All the Republicans wanted was
the investigation and the admission of lying which they got. They proved,
in the public's mind, that he was a sexual predator simply by presenting the
evidence. Was it a political witch hunt? Hell yes it was. The best one ever
so far because the witch was guilty as accused. So good that the Democrats
now are trying to use the same tactics on Bush. :-)

I agree with you that this whole mess was not the Dem's fault. I believe in
supporting whoever is in office as long as he is doing the job.

Juanita Broaddrick accused the president of rape. It is in Ken Starr's
findings and she also went public with it but the liberal media wouldn't
pursue it. Where were you in 1999? Your statement that Clinton has never
been accused of rape makes no sense. It is not a matter of opinion. It is a
fact that he was accused of rape.

There is another woman who has accused him of rape but I can not recall her
name and I'm too tired to google.

I think that maybe you can agree with me that most twenty one year olds are
not as mature as most thirty five year olds. I own a twenty one year old and
I'm paying for more of his mistakes than he is. :-)

Your words wounded me because I hold you to a higher standard than the
gutter snipes here who call me names. Your posts and actions have been among
the most eloquent here. You know I don't have a thin skin but I do have a
couple of achille's heels. :-) Lowering the dial back from near boil to
simmer on the old RMMP political stove. Let's talk about Supras.

--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800

"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Matt Porter
In my post I count eight "Nonsense" statements and/or implications
regarding: the majority of men cheat, women prior to thirty are incapable of
good judgment, that men are solely responsible for the afore mentioned
cheating, that the afore mentioned affairs would have been better if they
had been with older women, and that only Democrats are capable of sexual
impropriety with their underlings. I see nothing there that is not
"Nonsense". You even concede the first point. String that many nonsense
phrases together and it equals a babble. As to the jokes, I said they were
tired not nonsense and followed with my own BJ comment. By the way, if
anyone needs a BJ it is me! I would prefer to see me get one before anyone
else either of us has mentioned. :-) After that it was a political
discussion none of which I included in the "babbling nonsense." Re-read my
post and see if I am misrepresenting anything I have just said.
And yes, the impeachment DID fail. Yes, Clinton was impeached but that
is just the name of the process designed to remove a sitting President.
We
Post by Matt Porter
don't have trials without an expectation of a verdict or to make a "point".
The impeachment was not started to "prove that he is a sexual predator " nor
was such a thing "proven". The impeachment was started because he lied to
Congress about something that was not illegal and not their business. I do
not condone his behavior, but neither do I condone the grounds on which the
impeachment was charged and carried out. The impeachment did not find
enough evidence of wrong doing to unseat a sitting president and that was
that. The LATER fallout was that Clinton was shown to be an adulterer with
a curious taste in women (all of them) and activities (cigar) in
inappropriate locations (his office) none of which is illegal. Icky, yes.
Illegal, no. [ Kennedy at least banged Marilyn Monroe. I can jokingly
respect that. ;-) ] None of that will even raise the eyebrow of your
local prosecutor unless the girl is under 18 for most states (she wasn't),
the sex no matter how kinky was non-consensual (both consented), or the
location was public (the oval office is the PRIVATE office of the President
just as the White House has private bedrooms, bathrooms, etc. that , while
owned and offered by the people, are not open to the public nor are they
required to follow the conduct dictated by the populace.) The disbarments
and suspensions were slaps on the wrist for a lawyer who hasn't practiced
law since he was the attorney general of Arkansas decades ago. It was
recognized and accepted as such. Clinton was never accused of "raping"
anyone. To exaggerate his conduct to that level diminishes the trauma true
rape victims suffer and softens the violence of a true rapist. I wish the
Republicans would stop such vulgar rhetoric. As to your last statement, "He
left the presidency in disgrace and did major damage to the Democrat party.
He lost the support of those who voted for him including me." I must agree.
It was a shame as he could have left quite a good legacy and assured us of
four more years under a Democratic president. I don't however blame the
Dems for his failings as a man. The sex and lying about it was that of a
weak man, not of a bad political party.
Matt Porter
(I remain surprised that with all the stuff people call you in here, that my
accusing you of one "babbling" statement has wounded you so.)
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I looked at several different polls and the number averages around 45% for
men cheating on their wives. I'll give you the numbers on that one but my
point remains the same. As for Clinton and Kennedy I stand by my
statements;
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The sexual improprieties with 21 year olds in their employment is a bigger
offense than with more mature women not in their employment. As for
Republican vs. Democrats and sex in the white house, the Democrats are
ahead
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by a mile and Clinton was the jockey on the winning horse. Maybe we should
argue about the age and maturity of the women he sexually harrassed and
raped? The impeachment did not fail. He was successfully impeached. Maybe
you meant he didn't resign or get fired. The point of the impeachment
was
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to
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prove that he is a sexual predator and it was proven. Clinton was
disbarred
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from the Supreme court and the Arkansas bar suspended him. He left the
presidency in disgrace and did major damage to the Democrat party. He lost
the support of those who voted for him including me.
The results of theBush/Gore recounts was Gore losing every time. Nobody
stole anything. The Supreme court would have had to enforce the law no
matter who was sitting. The blame in California is on Davis. As for my
jokes, call them nonsense if you want. They are just jokes, but my
political opinions are not babbling nonsense. If they were you wouldn't be
responding to them and challenging me. You are intelligent enough to
refrain
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from ad hominems in an "unimportant" political discussion. :-)
--
George Lawrence
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I never asked for your advice. I responded to your assertion that
"most
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men have cheated on a wife at some point." This is an incredibly
cynical
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and offensive statement. Most men have never done such a thing. Just
as
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50% of marriages fail, thus 50% succeed. And of the 50% that fail,
80%
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of
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those fail because of financial stress and NOT infidelity. Ask any
marriage
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counselor if you are not satisfied with my figures. Therefore, your
statement is nonsense.
You then state that Clinton and Kennedy "took advantage of naive, very
young
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women interns who were in their employ instead of sticking with fully
grown
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mature women" as if (1): These interns were vapid airheads that somehow
magically got their position instead of very intelligent women who
earned
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their place in a very important and heavily sought after position.
Nonsense. (2): That the women somehow missed the fact that these were
married men thus making them eligible to date. Nonsense. (3a): That
it
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was the men who shoulder the sole responsibility for pursuing the
relationship. Nonsense. (3b): That even if 3a were true, that the women
were incapable of saying NO in the early stages thus avoiding any
impropriety in the first place. Nonsense (4): That committing adultery
with
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older women is somehow less egregious. Nonsense. You then joke: "The
Democrat party would do good to make a "no female intern" rule for their
stays in the white house! :-) " as if Democrats are the only members of
the
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government who have ever abused their position with interns.
Nonsense.
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The
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Republicans are just as guilty of this kind of behavior. In many ways,
the
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abuses of power the Republicans have shown since the Clinton's Health
care
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package failed was nothing short of criminal. Verging on treason in
some
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cases (ex. Ken Star) (flame suit on and ready). The joke: "Dean looks
like
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he could use a good blow job. You might want to choose Lieberman in the
primary. He looks like he might have his sexual impulses under control.
:-)"
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is tired. Besides if anyone could use a blowjob it is King George the
Pretender. I'll grant you neither Dean nor Leiberman are the answer,
but
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Bush's presidency is far from a sparkling success. The fact that the
Republicans refuse to acknowledge it is not surprising, but the level of
support they are throwing behind this man is starting to look
desperate
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or
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naive. I'm not sure which. I AM sure that the conservative right and
their
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Republican lackeys are becoming less and less about American rights,
freedoms, and the rule of law, and more and more about a Machiavellian
"the
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ends justify the means" strategy. The rest of your statement can be
summed
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up in yet another "I hate the Clintons" insult. The Republicans spent
nearly eight years manufacturing and trotting out scandal after scandal
spending millions of taxpayer (that's you and me) money none of which
came
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to anything. Even Star had nothing after all his harassment. They
finally
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impeached Bill on lying about something that is not even illegal. It
may
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be
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immoral and you and I and the rest of the country might find it
offensive,
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but it was not illegal. And the impeachment failed. After eight years
the
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Republicans and their supporters accomplished next to nothing. Bush got
in
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office because: the Clinton scandal was still warm, Gore was awful in
all
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three televised debates, and because the Supreme Court had one more Bush
supporter than Gore supporter. Underwhelming to say the least. If you
left
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the Dems for that to go to the Republicans, I wish you well. I have
never
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been a supporter of either party, but I don't trust any of the
Republicans
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anymore. That fiasco in California was it for me. Stealing elections
in
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mid-stream because they can't win them otherwise is appalling.
Matt Porter
(And I will continue to ask your drumming advice tho our politics
differs.
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And you will continue to give it, because you, like all of us, can't
help
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yourself and wouldn't want to if you could. And I will still consider
you
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a
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friend despite all of the differences in opinion. After all, isn't
drumming
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a lot more important than this junk?) ;-)
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I'm sorry you see my observations as nonsense. Please don't ever ask
my
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advice again and we'll both be happy.
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
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buy each of his children a drum."
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It was not an "implication". It was a statement. I am sorry you
resent
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it.
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It was a blanket statement for some blanket nonsense. And some of
the
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most
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immature westerners I have ever encountered are well past thirty
with
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no
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hope in sight. A random sampling would most certainly include
some
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of
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the
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contributors to this thread.
Matt Porter
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Believe it or not I actually have a number for you. I think that
the
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average
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western
person doesn't really mature until about thirty years old. I think
it
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takes
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a good ten years worth of self sufficency, learning from mistakes
and
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being
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out of the parent's nest before one has enough life experiences
upon
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which
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to draw . Just a personal observation. I resent the "babble"
implication.
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--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
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"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
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Just exactly where is the cutoff age for this emotional maturity
and
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wisdom
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of which you babble?
Matt Porter
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Yes, if you are in your fifties or so, like Clinton, and
especially
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if
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the
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21 year old is employed by you, it is a more grievous offense.
21
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year
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old
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women are legally adults, but emotionally most are not
mature
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or
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wise
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enough
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to make a choice in the matter and the man is knowingly
taking
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advantage
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of
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their vanity, gullibility, youth and inexperience and taking
advantage
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of
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his position. The average thirty five year old woman is just
as
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guilty
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as
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the man and can't plead innocence (Unless it was rape or
assault
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as
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some
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women have claimed of Clinton).
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
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"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
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I'm not calling it a sin. I don't believe in "sin" per se.
I'm
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saying
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they
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were stupid and irresponsible.
No disagreement there. Is sleeping with a 21 year old more
stupid
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and
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irresponsible than sleeping with a, say, 35 year old, if
you're
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married
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and
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neither is your wife?
Glenn D.
Glenn Dowdy
2004-01-06 04:42:06 UTC
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Lowering the dial back from near boil to
simmer on the old RMMP political stove. Let's talk about Supras.
Fuck you ;)

Glenn D.
Matt Porter
2004-01-06 05:44:21 UTC
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Fair enough. Let's agree to disagree and call a "truce". I like my Supra
better than yours. ;-p

Matt Porter
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Matt,
respectfully,
I can characterize others' opinions as nonsense and making things up too
but I don't, unless I have factual proof, because it would be insulting.
Calling someone's opinions nonsense is the same as calling someone a
brainless idiot. Just because you do not agree with my opinions does not
make them nonsense. I try to base my opinions on facts and experience. I'm
not always right and I don't mind my errors being pointed out, but I think
you are quick to reply without having researched the factual basis. If you
can prove that if someone is ignorant, having no knowledge of the facts,
then their statements can be called nonsense, which means that the
statements don't make any sense. You haven't proven that with me, but I will
prove it here with you by showing that some of the statements you have made
don't make sense. Please note that I am not attacking your opinions or
rewording your claims, putting words in your mouth as you have so done with
me.
Impeachment: a proceeding in which accusations are brought by a legislative
branch of a government against civil officials (chiefs of state, cabinet
members, and judges). The process is frequently mistaken as including the
indictment and the trial phase. This definition will be found in any
popular dictionary.
The impeachment of Clinton was successful since the success of impeachment
means that the accused shows up and answers the questions. The impeachment
was for lying under oath to a grand jury, in civil dispositions and in the
Jones case and for obstruction of justice. It succeeded in presenting the
evidence. The following senate trial and his acquittal are different
processes from the impeachment. Clinton escaped indictment in the Lewinsky
case on his last day in office by striking a deal with the independent
counsel: http://fpeng.peopledaily.com.cn/200101/20/eng20010120_60951.html So
your statement about the impeachment being a failure doesn't make sense,
literally.
Did the Republicans succeed in dragging him through the mud? My opinion is
yes, resoundingly, they were successful in their goals. Their goal was never
to unseat him. That would have put Gore in the Oval Office with a great
chance for re-election. That he wouldn't be unseated was a forgone
conclusion. I asked Fred Thompson this at a party in Nashville and he
explained why it would never come to that. All the Republicans wanted was
the investigation and the admission of lying which they got. They proved,
in the public's mind, that he was a sexual predator simply by presenting the
evidence. Was it a political witch hunt? Hell yes it was. The best one ever
so far because the witch was guilty as accused. So good that the Democrats
now are trying to use the same tactics on Bush. :-)
I agree with you that this whole mess was not the Dem's fault. I believe in
supporting whoever is in office as long as he is doing the job.
Juanita Broaddrick accused the president of rape. It is in Ken Starr's
findings and she also went public with it but the liberal media wouldn't
pursue it. Where were you in 1999? Your statement that Clinton has never
been accused of rape makes no sense. It is not a matter of opinion. It is a
fact that he was accused of rape.
There is another woman who has accused him of rape but I can not recall her
name and I'm too tired to google.
I think that maybe you can agree with me that most twenty one year olds are
not as mature as most thirty five year olds. I own a twenty one year old and
I'm paying for more of his mistakes than he is. :-)
Your words wounded me because I hold you to a higher standard than the
gutter snipes here who call me names. Your posts and actions have been
among
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the most eloquent here. You know I don't have a thin skin but I do have a
couple of achille's heels. :-) Lowering the dial back from near boil to
simmer on the old RMMP political stove. Let's talk about Supras.
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
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In my post I count eight "Nonsense" statements and/or implications
regarding: the majority of men cheat, women prior to thirty are
incapable
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of
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good judgment, that men are solely responsible for the afore mentioned
cheating, that the afore mentioned affairs would have been better if they
had been with older women, and that only Democrats are capable of sexual
impropriety with their underlings. I see nothing there that is not
"Nonsense". You even concede the first point. String that many nonsense
phrases together and it equals a babble. As to the jokes, I said they
were
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tired not nonsense and followed with my own BJ comment. By the way, if
anyone needs a BJ it is me! I would prefer to see me get one before
anyone
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else either of us has mentioned. :-) After that it was a political
discussion none of which I included in the "babbling nonsense." Re-read
my
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post and see if I am misrepresenting anything I have just said.
And yes, the impeachment DID fail. Yes, Clinton was impeached but
that
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is just the name of the process designed to remove a sitting President.
We
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don't have trials without an expectation of a verdict or to make a
"point".
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The impeachment was not started to "prove that he is a sexual predator "
nor
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was such a thing "proven". The impeachment was started because he lied to
Congress about something that was not illegal and not their business. I
do
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not condone his behavior, but neither do I condone the grounds on which
the
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impeachment was charged and carried out. The impeachment did not find
enough evidence of wrong doing to unseat a sitting president and that was
that. The LATER fallout was that Clinton was shown to be an adulterer
with
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a curious taste in women (all of them) and activities (cigar) in
inappropriate locations (his office) none of which is illegal. Icky, yes.
Illegal, no. [ Kennedy at least banged Marilyn Monroe. I can jokingly
respect that. ;-) ] None of that will even raise the eyebrow of your
local prosecutor unless the girl is under 18 for most states (she wasn't),
the sex no matter how kinky was non-consensual (both consented), or the
location was public (the oval office is the PRIVATE office of the
President
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just as the White House has private bedrooms, bathrooms, etc. that , while
owned and offered by the people, are not open to the public nor are they
required to follow the conduct dictated by the populace.) The disbarments
and suspensions were slaps on the wrist for a lawyer who hasn't practiced
law since he was the attorney general of Arkansas decades ago. It was
recognized and accepted as such. Clinton was never accused of "raping"
anyone. To exaggerate his conduct to that level diminishes the trauma
true
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rape victims suffer and softens the violence of a true rapist. I wish the
Republicans would stop such vulgar rhetoric. As to your last statement,
"He
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left the presidency in disgrace and did major damage to the Democrat
party.
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He lost the support of those who voted for him including me." I must
agree.
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It was a shame as he could have left quite a good legacy and assured us of
four more years under a Democratic president. I don't however blame the
Dems for his failings as a man. The sex and lying about it was that of a
weak man, not of a bad political party.
Matt Porter
(I remain surprised that with all the stuff people call you in here,
that
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my
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accusing you of one "babbling" statement has wounded you so.)
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I looked at several different polls and the number averages around 45%
for
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men cheating on their wives. I'll give you the numbers on that one but
my
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point remains the same. As for Clinton and Kennedy I stand by my
statements;
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The sexual improprieties with 21 year olds in their employment is a
bigger
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offense than with more mature women not in their employment. As for
Republican vs. Democrats and sex in the white house, the Democrats are
ahead
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by a mile and Clinton was the jockey on the winning horse. Maybe we
should
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argue about the age and maturity of the women he sexually harrassed and
raped? The impeachment did not fail. He was successfully impeached.
Maybe
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you meant he didn't resign or get fired. The point of the impeachment
was
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to
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prove that he is a sexual predator and it was proven. Clinton was
disbarred
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from the Supreme court and the Arkansas bar suspended him. He left the
presidency in disgrace and did major damage to the Democrat party. He
lost
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the support of those who voted for him including me.
The results of theBush/Gore recounts was Gore losing every time. Nobody
stole anything. The Supreme court would have had to enforce the law no
matter who was sitting. The blame in California is on Davis. As for my
jokes, call them nonsense if you want. They are just jokes, but my
political opinions are not babbling nonsense. If they were you
wouldn't
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be
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responding to them and challenging me. You are intelligent enough to
refrain
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from ad hominems in an "unimportant" political discussion. :-)
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
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I never asked for your advice. I responded to your assertion that
"most
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men have cheated on a wife at some point." This is an incredibly
cynical
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and offensive statement. Most men have never done such a thing.
Just
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as
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50% of marriages fail, thus 50% succeed. And of the 50% that fail,
80%
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of
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those fail because of financial stress and NOT infidelity. Ask any
marriage
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counselor if you are not satisfied with my figures. Therefore, your
statement is nonsense.
You then state that Clinton and Kennedy "took advantage of naive, very
young
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women interns who were in their employ instead of sticking with fully
grown
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mature women" as if (1): These interns were vapid airheads that
somehow
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magically got their position instead of very intelligent women who
earned
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their place in a very important and heavily sought after position.
Nonsense. (2): That the women somehow missed the fact that these
were
That
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it
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was the men who shoulder the sole responsibility for pursuing the
relationship. Nonsense. (3b): That even if 3a were true, that the
women
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were incapable of saying NO in the early stages thus avoiding any
impropriety in the first place. Nonsense (4): That committing adultery
with
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older women is somehow less egregious. Nonsense. You then joke: "The
Democrat party would do good to make a "no female intern" rule for
their
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stays in the white house! :-) " as if Democrats are the only
members
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of
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the
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government who have ever abused their position with interns.
Nonsense.
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The
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Republicans are just as guilty of this kind of behavior. In many
ways,
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the
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abuses of power the Republicans have shown since the Clinton's Health
care
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package failed was nothing short of criminal. Verging on treason in
some
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cases (ex. Ken Star) (flame suit on and ready). The joke: "Dean looks
like
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he could use a good blow job. You might want to choose Lieberman in
the
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primary. He looks like he might have his sexual impulses under
control.
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:-)"
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is tired. Besides if anyone could use a blowjob it is King George the
Pretender. I'll grant you neither Dean nor Leiberman are the answer,
but
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Bush's presidency is far from a sparkling success. The fact that the
Republicans refuse to acknowledge it is not surprising, but the
level
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of
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support they are throwing behind this man is starting to look
desperate
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or
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naive. I'm not sure which. I AM sure that the conservative right and
their
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Republican lackeys are becoming less and less about American rights,
freedoms, and the rule of law, and more and more about a
Machiavellian
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"the
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ends justify the means" strategy. The rest of your statement can be
summed
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up in yet another "I hate the Clintons" insult. The Republicans spent
nearly eight years manufacturing and trotting out scandal after
scandal
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spending millions of taxpayer (that's you and me) money none of which
came
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to anything. Even Star had nothing after all his harassment. They
finally
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impeached Bill on lying about something that is not even illegal.
It
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may
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be
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immoral and you and I and the rest of the country might find it
offensive,
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but it was not illegal. And the impeachment failed. After eight
years
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the
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Republicans and their supporters accomplished next to nothing. Bush
got
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in
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office because: the Clinton scandal was still warm, Gore was awful in
all
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three televised debates, and because the Supreme Court had one more
Bush
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supporter than Gore supporter. Underwhelming to say the least. If
you
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left
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the Dems for that to go to the Republicans, I wish you well. I have
never
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been a supporter of either party, but I don't trust any of the
Republicans
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anymore. That fiasco in California was it for me. Stealing elections
in
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mid-stream because they can't win them otherwise is appalling.
Matt Porter
(And I will continue to ask your drumming advice tho our politics
differs.
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And you will continue to give it, because you, like all of us, can't
help
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yourself and wouldn't want to if you could. And I will still consider
you
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a
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friend despite all of the differences in opinion. After all, isn't
drumming
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a lot more important than this junk?) ;-)
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I'm sorry you see my observations as nonsense. Please don't ever ask
my
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advice again and we'll both be happy.
--
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It was not an "implication". It was a statement. I am sorry you
resent
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it.
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It was a blanket statement for some blanket nonsense. And some of
the
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most
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immature westerners I have ever encountered are well past thirty
with
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no
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hope in sight. A random sampling would most certainly include
some
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of
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the
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contributors to this thread.
Matt Porter
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Believe it or not I actually have a number for you. I think that
the
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average
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western
person doesn't really mature until about thirty years old. I
think
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it
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takes
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a good ten years worth of self sufficency, learning from
mistakes
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and
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being
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out of the parent's nest before one has enough life experiences
upon
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which
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to draw . Just a personal observation. I resent the "babble"
implication.
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--
George Lawrence
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-Chinese proverb
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Just exactly where is the cutoff age for this emotional
maturity
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and
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wisdom
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of which you babble?
Matt Porter
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Yes, if you are in your fifties or so, like Clinton, and
especially
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if
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the
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21 year old is employed by you, it is a more grievous
offense.
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21
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year
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old
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women are legally adults, but emotionally most are not
mature
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or
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wise
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enough
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to make a choice in the matter and the man is knowingly
taking
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advantage
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of
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their vanity, gullibility, youth and inexperience and taking
advantage
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of
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his position. The average thirty five year old woman is just
as
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guilty
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as
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the man and can't plead innocence (Unless it was rape or
assault
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as
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some
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women have claimed of Clinton).
--
George Lawrence
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I'm not calling it a sin. I don't believe in "sin" per
se.
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I'm
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saying
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they
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were stupid and irresponsible.
No disagreement there. Is sleeping with a 21 year old more
stupid
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and
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irresponsible than sleeping with a, say, 35 year old, if
you're
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married
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and
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neither is your wife?
Glenn D.
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Mine is more pitted and flaking than yours and the throw off is more
terrible.

--
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"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
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Fair enough. Let's agree to disagree and call a "truce". I like my Supra
better than yours. ;-p
Matt Porter
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Matt,
respectfully,
I can characterize others' opinions as nonsense and making things up too
but I don't, unless I have factual proof, because it would be insulting.
Calling someone's opinions nonsense is the same as calling someone a
brainless idiot. Just because you do not agree with my opinions does not
make them nonsense. I try to base my opinions on facts and experience. I'm
not always right and I don't mind my errors being pointed out, but I think
you are quick to reply without having researched the factual basis. If
you
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can prove that if someone is ignorant, having no knowledge of the facts,
then their statements can be called nonsense, which means that the
statements don't make any sense. You haven't proven that with me, but I
will
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prove it here with you by showing that some of the statements you have
made
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don't make sense. Please note that I am not attacking your opinions or
rewording your claims, putting words in your mouth as you have so done
with
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me.
Impeachment: a proceeding in which accusations are brought by a
legislative
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branch of a government against civil officials (chiefs of state, cabinet
members, and judges). The process is frequently mistaken as including the
indictment and the trial phase. This definition will be found in any
popular dictionary.
The impeachment of Clinton was successful since the success of
impeachment
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means that the accused shows up and answers the questions. The impeachment
was for lying under oath to a grand jury, in civil dispositions and in the
Jones case and for obstruction of justice. It succeeded in presenting
the
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evidence. The following senate trial and his acquittal are different
processes from the impeachment. Clinton escaped indictment in the Lewinsky
case on his last day in office by striking a deal with the independent
http://fpeng.peopledaily.com.cn/200101/20/eng20010120_60951.html
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So
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your statement about the impeachment being a failure doesn't make sense,
literally.
Did the Republicans succeed in dragging him through the mud? My opinion is
yes, resoundingly, they were successful in their goals. Their goal was
never
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to unseat him. That would have put Gore in the Oval Office with a great
chance for re-election. That he wouldn't be unseated was a forgone
conclusion. I asked Fred Thompson this at a party in Nashville and he
explained why it would never come to that. All the Republicans wanted was
the investigation and the admission of lying which they got. They proved,
in the public's mind, that he was a sexual predator simply by presenting
the
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evidence. Was it a political witch hunt? Hell yes it was. The best one
ever
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so far because the witch was guilty as accused. So good that the Democrats
now are trying to use the same tactics on Bush. :-)
I agree with you that this whole mess was not the Dem's fault. I believe
in
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supporting whoever is in office as long as he is doing the job.
Juanita Broaddrick accused the president of rape. It is in Ken Starr's
findings and she also went public with it but the liberal media
wouldn't
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pursue it. Where were you in 1999? Your statement that Clinton has never
been accused of rape makes no sense. It is not a matter of opinion. It
is
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a
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fact that he was accused of rape.
There is another woman who has accused him of rape but I can not recall
her
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name and I'm too tired to google.
I think that maybe you can agree with me that most twenty one year olds
are
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not as mature as most thirty five year olds. I own a twenty one year old
and
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I'm paying for more of his mistakes than he is. :-)
Your words wounded me because I hold you to a higher standard than the
gutter snipes here who call me names. Your posts and actions have been
among
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the most eloquent here. You know I don't have a thin skin but I do have a
couple of achille's heels. :-) Lowering the dial back from near boil to
simmer on the old RMMP political stove. Let's talk about Supras.
--
George Lawrence
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In my post I count eight "Nonsense" statements and/or implications
regarding: the majority of men cheat, women prior to thirty are
incapable
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of
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good judgment, that men are solely responsible for the afore mentioned
cheating, that the afore mentioned affairs would have been better if
they
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had been with older women, and that only Democrats are capable of sexual
impropriety with their underlings. I see nothing there that is not
"Nonsense". You even concede the first point. String that many
nonsense
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phrases together and it equals a babble. As to the jokes, I said they
were
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tired not nonsense and followed with my own BJ comment. By the way, if
anyone needs a BJ it is me! I would prefer to see me get one before
anyone
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else either of us has mentioned. :-) After that it was a political
discussion none of which I included in the "babbling nonsense."
Re-read
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my
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post and see if I am misrepresenting anything I have just said.
And yes, the impeachment DID fail. Yes, Clinton was impeached but
that
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is just the name of the process designed to remove a sitting President.
We
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don't have trials without an expectation of a verdict or to make a
"point".
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The impeachment was not started to "prove that he is a sexual predator "
nor
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was such a thing "proven". The impeachment was started because he
lied
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to
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Congress about something that was not illegal and not their business.
I
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do
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not condone his behavior, but neither do I condone the grounds on which
the
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impeachment was charged and carried out. The impeachment did not find
enough evidence of wrong doing to unseat a sitting president and that
was
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that. The LATER fallout was that Clinton was shown to be an adulterer
with
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a curious taste in women (all of them) and activities (cigar) in
inappropriate locations (his office) none of which is illegal. Icky,
yes.
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Illegal, no. [ Kennedy at least banged Marilyn Monroe. I can jokingly
respect that. ;-) ] None of that will even raise the eyebrow of your
local prosecutor unless the girl is under 18 for most states (she
wasn't),
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the sex no matter how kinky was non-consensual (both consented), or the
location was public (the oval office is the PRIVATE office of the
President
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just as the White House has private bedrooms, bathrooms, etc. that ,
while
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owned and offered by the people, are not open to the public nor are th
ey
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required to follow the conduct dictated by the populace.) The
disbarments
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and suspensions were slaps on the wrist for a lawyer who hasn't
practiced
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law since he was the attorney general of Arkansas decades ago. It was
recognized and accepted as such. Clinton was never accused of "raping"
anyone. To exaggerate his conduct to that level diminishes the trauma
true
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rape victims suffer and softens the violence of a true rapist. I wish
the
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Republicans would stop such vulgar rhetoric. As to your last statement,
"He
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left the presidency in disgrace and did major damage to the Democrat
party.
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He lost the support of those who voted for him including me." I must
agree.
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It was a shame as he could have left quite a good legacy and assured
us
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of
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four more years under a Democratic president. I don't however blame the
Dems for his failings as a man. The sex and lying about it was that
of
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a
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weak man, not of a bad political party.
Matt Porter
(I remain surprised that with all the stuff people call you in here,
that
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my
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accusing you of one "babbling" statement has wounded you so.)
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I looked at several different polls and the number averages around 45%
for
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men cheating on their wives. I'll give you the numbers on that one but
my
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point remains the same. As for Clinton and Kennedy I stand by my
statements;
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The sexual improprieties with 21 year olds in their employment is a
bigger
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offense than with more mature women not in their employment. As for
Republican vs. Democrats and sex in the white house, the Democrats are
ahead
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by a mile and Clinton was the jockey on the winning horse. Maybe we
should
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argue about the age and maturity of the women he sexually harrassed
and
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raped? The impeachment did not fail. He was successfully impeached.
Maybe
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you meant he didn't resign or get fired. The point of the impeachment
was
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to
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prove that he is a sexual predator and it was proven. Clinton was
disbarred
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from the Supreme court and the Arkansas bar suspended him. He left the
presidency in disgrace and did major damage to the Democrat party. He
lost
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the support of those who voted for him including me.
The results of theBush/Gore recounts was Gore losing every time.
Nobody
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stole anything. The Supreme court would have had to enforce the law no
matter who was sitting. The blame in California is on Davis. As for my
jokes, call them nonsense if you want. They are just jokes, but my
political opinions are not babbling nonsense. If they were you
wouldn't
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be
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responding to them and challenging me. You are intelligent enough to
refrain
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from ad hominems in an "unimportant" political discussion. :-)
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George Lawrence
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I never asked for your advice. I responded to your assertion
that
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"most
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men have cheated on a wife at some point." This is an incredibly
cynical
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and offensive statement. Most men have never done such a thing.
Just
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as
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50% of marriages fail, thus 50% succeed. And of the 50% that fail,
80%
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of
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those fail because of financial stress and NOT infidelity. Ask any
marriage
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counselor if you are not satisfied with my figures. Therefore, your
statement is nonsense.
You then state that Clinton and Kennedy "took advantage of naive,
very
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young
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women interns who were in their employ instead of sticking with
fully
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grown
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mature women" as if (1): These interns were vapid airheads that
somehow
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magically got their position instead of very intelligent women who
earned
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their place in a very important and heavily sought after position.
Nonsense. (2): That the women somehow missed the fact that these
were
That
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it
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was the men who shoulder the sole responsibility for pursuing the
relationship. Nonsense. (3b): That even if 3a were true, that the
women
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were incapable of saying NO in the early stages thus avoiding any
impropriety in the first place. Nonsense (4): That committing
adultery
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with
"The
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Democrat party would do good to make a "no female intern" rule for
their
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stays in the white house! :-) " as if Democrats are the only
members
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of
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the
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government who have ever abused their position with interns.
Nonsense.
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The
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Republicans are just as guilty of this kind of behavior. In many
ways,
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the
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abuses of power the Republicans have shown since the Clinton's
Health
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care
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package failed was nothing short of criminal. Verging on treason in
some
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cases (ex. Ken Star) (flame suit on and ready). The joke: "Dean
looks
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like
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he could use a good blow job. You might want to choose Lieberman in
the
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primary. He looks like he might have his sexual impulses under
control.
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:-)"
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is tired. Besides if anyone could use a blowjob it is King George
the
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Pretender. I'll grant you neither Dean nor Leiberman are the
answer,
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but
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Bush's presidency is far from a sparkling success. The fact that
the
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Republicans refuse to acknowledge it is not surprising, but the
level
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of
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support they are throwing behind this man is starting to look
desperate
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or
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naive. I'm not sure which. I AM sure that the conservative right
and
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their
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Republican lackeys are becoming less and less about American rights,
freedoms, and the rule of law, and more and more about a
Machiavellian
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"the
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ends justify the means" strategy. The rest of your statement can be
summed
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up in yet another "I hate the Clintons" insult. The Republicans
spent
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nearly eight years manufacturing and trotting out scandal after
scandal
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spending millions of taxpayer (that's you and me) money none of
which
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came
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to anything. Even Star had nothing after all his harassment.
They
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finally
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impeached Bill on lying about something that is not even illegal.
It
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may
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be
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immoral and you and I and the rest of the country might find it
offensive,
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but it was not illegal. And the impeachment failed. After eight
years
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the
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Republicans and their supporters accomplished next to nothing.
Bush
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got
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in
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office because: the Clinton scandal was still warm, Gore was awful
in
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all
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three televised debates, and because the Supreme Court had one more
Bush
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supporter than Gore supporter. Underwhelming to say the least.
If
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you
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left
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the Dems for that to go to the Republicans, I wish you well. I have
never
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been a supporter of either party, but I don't trust any of the
Republicans
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anymore. That fiasco in California was it for me. Stealing
elections
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in
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mid-stream because they can't win them otherwise is appalling.
Matt Porter
(And I will continue to ask your drumming advice tho our politics
differs.
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And you will continue to give it, because you, like all of us, can't
help
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yourself and wouldn't want to if you could. And I will still
consider
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you
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a
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friend despite all of the differences in opinion. After all, isn't
drumming
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a lot more important than this junk?) ;-)
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I'm sorry you see my observations as nonsense. Please don't ever
ask
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my
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advice again and we'll both be happy.
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
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Copley, Ohio 44321
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"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
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It was not an "implication". It was a statement. I am sorry
you
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resent
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it.
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It was a blanket statement for some blanket nonsense. And
some
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of
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the
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most
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immature westerners I have ever encountered are well past thirty
with
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no
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hope in sight. A random sampling would most certainly include
some
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of
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the
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contributors to this thread.
Matt Porter
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Believe it or not I actually have a number for you. I think
that
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the
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average
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western
person doesn't really mature until about thirty years old. I
think
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it
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takes
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a good ten years worth of self sufficency, learning from
mistakes
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and
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being
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out of the parent's nest before one has enough life
experiences
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upon
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which
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to draw . Just a personal observation. I resent the "babble"
implication.
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Post by George Lawrence
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Post by Matt Porter
Just exactly where is the cutoff age for this emotional
maturity
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
and
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
wisdom
Post by Matt Porter
of which you babble?
Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Yes, if you are in your fifties or so, like Clinton, and
especially
Post by George Lawrence
if
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
the
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
21 year old is employed by you, it is a more grievous
offense.
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
21
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
year
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
old
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
women are legally adults, but emotionally most are not
mature
Post by Matt Porter
or
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
wise
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
enough
Post by George Lawrence
to make a choice in the matter and the man is knowingly
taking
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
advantage
Post by Matt Porter
of
Post by George Lawrence
their vanity, gullibility, youth and inexperience and
taking
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
advantage
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
of
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
his position. The average thirty five year old woman is
just
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
as
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
guilty
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
as
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
the man and can't plead innocence (Unless it was rape or
assault
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
as
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
some
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
women have claimed of Clinton).
--
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"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
I'm not calling it a sin. I don't believe in "sin" per
se.
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
I'm
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
saying
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
they
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
were stupid and irresponsible.
No disagreement there. Is sleeping with a 21 year old
more
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
stupid
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
and
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Glenn Dowdy
irresponsible than sleeping with a, say, 35 year old, if
you're
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
married
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
and
Post by Glenn Dowdy
neither is your wife?
Glenn D.
Kirt Wingard
2004-01-06 17:28:16 UTC
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"George Lawrence" <***@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:G1BKb.21462$P%***@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com...
: Mine is more pitted and flaking than yours and the throw off is more
: terrible.

I just hope you're talking about a snare drum. ;o)

/kirt
--
"I had a floor tom with mad cowskin heads once......it kept falling over."
-Pat McDonald in rmmp
George Lawrence
2004-01-05 05:13:44 UTC
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Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?

--
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"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Matt Porter
It was not an "implication". It was a statement. I am sorry you resent it.
It was a blanket statement for some blanket nonsense. And some of the most
immature westerners I have ever encountered are well past thirty with no
hope in sight. A random sampling would most certainly include some of the
contributors to this thread.
Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Believe it or not I actually have a number for you. I think that the
average
Post by George Lawrence
western
person doesn't really mature until about thirty years old. I think it
takes
Post by George Lawrence
a good ten years worth of self sufficency, learning from mistakes and
being
Post by George Lawrence
out of the parent's nest before one has enough life experiences upon which
to draw . Just a personal observation. I resent the "babble"
implication.
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
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http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
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"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Matt Porter
Just exactly where is the cutoff age for this emotional maturity and
wisdom
Post by Matt Porter
of which you babble?
Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Yes, if you are in your fifties or so, like Clinton, and especially if
the
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
21 year old is employed by you, it is a more grievous offense. 21 year
old
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
women are legally adults, but emotionally most are not mature or wise
enough
Post by George Lawrence
to make a choice in the matter and the man is knowingly taking
advantage
Post by Matt Porter
of
Post by George Lawrence
their vanity, gullibility, youth and inexperience and taking advantage
of
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
his position. The average thirty five year old woman is just as guilty
as
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
the man and can't plead innocence (Unless it was rape or assault as
some
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
women have claimed of Clinton).
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
I'm not calling it a sin. I don't believe in "sin" per se. I'm
saying
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
they
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
were stupid and irresponsible.
No disagreement there. Is sleeping with a 21 year old more stupid
and
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Glenn Dowdy
irresponsible than sleeping with a, say, 35 year old, if you're
married
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
and
Post by Glenn Dowdy
neither is your wife?
Glenn D.
Matt Porter
2004-01-05 06:36:36 UTC
Permalink
Nope. But I have been following this thread silently and you are the only
one on the opposing side I care to engage with. I just wish you would raise
the tone a little.
Look at the other choices:
Polis: Ignores anyone who disagrees with him. I get plenty of that at home.
Jacoby: I'm not sure if he is a Republican or some bastardized form of Nazi.
I don't think he has a clue either.
Fell: He's just nuts.

Sorry to pick on you, but hopefully you see my point.

Matt Porter
(I don't want to offend anyone, but I am beginning not to care.)
Post by George Lawrence
Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Matt Porter
It was not an "implication". It was a statement. I am sorry you resent
it.
Post by Matt Porter
It was a blanket statement for some blanket nonsense. And some of the
most
Post by Matt Porter
immature westerners I have ever encountered are well past thirty with no
hope in sight. A random sampling would most certainly include some of the
contributors to this thread.
Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Believe it or not I actually have a number for you. I think that the
average
Post by George Lawrence
western
person doesn't really mature until about thirty years old. I think it
takes
Post by George Lawrence
a good ten years worth of self sufficency, learning from mistakes and
being
Post by George Lawrence
out of the parent's nest before one has enough life experiences upon
which
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
to draw . Just a personal observation. I resent the "babble"
implication.
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Matt Porter
Just exactly where is the cutoff age for this emotional maturity and
wisdom
Post by Matt Porter
of which you babble?
Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Yes, if you are in your fifties or so, like Clinton, and
especially
Post by George Lawrence
if
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
the
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
21 year old is employed by you, it is a more grievous offense. 21
year
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
old
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
women are legally adults, but emotionally most are not mature or
wise
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
enough
Post by George Lawrence
to make a choice in the matter and the man is knowingly taking
advantage
Post by Matt Porter
of
Post by George Lawrence
their vanity, gullibility, youth and inexperience and taking
advantage
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
of
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
his position. The average thirty five year old woman is just as
guilty
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
as
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
the man and can't plead innocence (Unless it was rape or assault as
some
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
women have claimed of Clinton).
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
I'm not calling it a sin. I don't believe in "sin" per se. I'm
saying
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
they
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
were stupid and irresponsible.
No disagreement there. Is sleeping with a 21 year old more stupid
and
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Glenn Dowdy
irresponsible than sleeping with a, say, 35 year old, if you're
married
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
and
Post by Glenn Dowdy
neither is your wife?
Glenn D.
Michael Fell
2004-01-05 07:12:07 UTC
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Post by Matt Porter
Nope. But I have been following this thread silently and you are the only
one on the opposing side I care to engage with.
That is because he is a little short mentally to bury you in a
debate.:-) Politically anyway.
Post by Matt Porter
I just wish you would raise
the tone a little.
Polis: Ignores anyone who disagrees with him. I get plenty of that at home.
That's a surprise. Wise up a bit.
Post by Matt Porter
Jacoby: I'm not sure if he is a Republican or some bastardized form of Nazi.
I don't think he has a clue either.
BJ is nuttier then all of us combined
Post by Matt Porter
Fell: He's just nuts.
ROTFL!
Post by Matt Porter
Sorry to pick on you, but hopefully you see my point.
Quit kissin his rear end already. He is a buffoon and you know it.:-)
Post by Matt Porter
Matt Porter
(I don't want to offend anyone, but I am beginning not to care.)
You don't want to offend anyone. I would hate to see you when you want
to offend someone.:-)


mike
Mark Polis
2004-01-05 12:20:59 UTC
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Perhaps that's because you're an idiot worth ignoring.
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"You play because you must." - drummer Tony Williams
--
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Post by Matt Porter
Nope. But I have been following this thread silently and you are the only
one on the opposing side I care to engage with. I just wish you would raise
the tone a little.
Polis: Ignores anyone who disagrees with him. I get plenty of that at home.
Jacoby: I'm not sure if he is a Republican or some bastardized form of Nazi.
I don't think he has a clue either.
Fell: He's just nuts.
Sorry to pick on you, but hopefully you see my point.
Matt Porter
(I don't want to offend anyone, but I am beginning not to care.)
Post by George Lawrence
Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Matt Porter
It was not an "implication". It was a statement. I am sorry you resent
it.
Post by Matt Porter
It was a blanket statement for some blanket nonsense. And some of the
most
Post by Matt Porter
immature westerners I have ever encountered are well past thirty with no
hope in sight. A random sampling would most certainly include some of
the
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
contributors to this thread.
Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Believe it or not I actually have a number for you. I think that the
average
Post by George Lawrence
western
person doesn't really mature until about thirty years old. I think it
takes
Post by George Lawrence
a good ten years worth of self sufficency, learning from mistakes and
being
Post by George Lawrence
out of the parent's nest before one has enough life experiences upon
which
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
to draw . Just a personal observation. I resent the "babble"
implication.
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Matt Porter
Just exactly where is the cutoff age for this emotional maturity and
wisdom
Post by Matt Porter
of which you babble?
Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Yes, if you are in your fifties or so, like Clinton, and
especially
Post by George Lawrence
if
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
the
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
21 year old is employed by you, it is a more grievous offense. 21
year
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
old
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
women are legally adults, but emotionally most are not mature or
wise
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
enough
Post by George Lawrence
to make a choice in the matter and the man is knowingly taking
advantage
Post by Matt Porter
of
Post by George Lawrence
their vanity, gullibility, youth and inexperience and taking
advantage
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
of
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
his position. The average thirty five year old woman is just as
guilty
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
as
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
the man and can't plead innocence (Unless it was rape or assault
as
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
some
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
women have claimed of Clinton).
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
I'm not calling it a sin. I don't believe in "sin" per se. I'm
saying
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
they
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
were stupid and irresponsible.
No disagreement there. Is sleeping with a 21 year old more
stupid
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
and
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Glenn Dowdy
irresponsible than sleeping with a, say, 35 year old, if you're
married
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
and
Post by Glenn Dowdy
neither is your wife?
Glenn D.
Matt Porter
2004-01-05 22:55:50 UTC
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"Boring."- Mark Polis

Matt Porter
Post by Mark Polis
Perhaps that's because you're an idiot worth ignoring.
--
--
"You play because you must." - drummer Tony Williams
--
--
Post by Matt Porter
Nope. But I have been following this thread silently and you are the only
one on the opposing side I care to engage with. I just wish you would
raise
Post by Matt Porter
the tone a little.
Polis: Ignores anyone who disagrees with him. I get plenty of that at
home.
Post by Matt Porter
Jacoby: I'm not sure if he is a Republican or some bastardized form of
Nazi.
Post by Matt Porter
I don't think he has a clue either.
Fell: He's just nuts.
Sorry to pick on you, but hopefully you see my point.
Matt Porter
(I don't want to offend anyone, but I am beginning not to care.)
Post by George Lawrence
Did you get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Matt Porter
It was not an "implication". It was a statement. I am sorry you
resent
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
it.
Post by Matt Porter
It was a blanket statement for some blanket nonsense. And some of the
most
Post by Matt Porter
immature westerners I have ever encountered are well past thirty
with
Post by Mark Polis
no
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
hope in sight. A random sampling would most certainly include some of
the
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
contributors to this thread.
Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Believe it or not I actually have a number for you. I think that the
average
Post by George Lawrence
western
person doesn't really mature until about thirty years old. I think
it
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
takes
Post by George Lawrence
a good ten years worth of self sufficency, learning from mistakes
and
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
being
Post by George Lawrence
out of the parent's nest before one has enough life experiences upon
which
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
to draw . Just a personal observation. I resent the "babble"
implication.
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Matt Porter
Just exactly where is the cutoff age for this emotional maturity
and
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
wisdom
Post by Matt Porter
of which you babble?
Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Yes, if you are in your fifties or so, like Clinton, and
especially
Post by George Lawrence
if
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
the
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
21 year old is employed by you, it is a more grievous offense.
21
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
year
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
old
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
women are legally adults, but emotionally most are not mature or
wise
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
enough
Post by George Lawrence
to make a choice in the matter and the man is knowingly taking
advantage
Post by Matt Porter
of
Post by George Lawrence
their vanity, gullibility, youth and inexperience and taking
advantage
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
of
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
his position. The average thirty five year old woman is just as
guilty
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
as
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
the man and can't plead innocence (Unless it was rape or assault
as
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
some
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
women have claimed of Clinton).
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
I'm not calling it a sin. I don't believe in "sin" per se.
I'm
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
saying
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
they
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
were stupid and irresponsible.
No disagreement there. Is sleeping with a 21 year old more
stupid
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
and
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Glenn Dowdy
irresponsible than sleeping with a, say, 35 year old, if
you're
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
married
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
and
Post by Glenn Dowdy
neither is your wife?
Glenn D.
Kurgan666
2004-01-05 20:05:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by George Lawrence
Believe it or not I actually have a number for you. I think that the average
western
person doesn't really mature until about thirty years old. I think it takes
a good ten years worth of self sufficency, learning from mistakes and being
out of the parent's nest before one has enough life experiences upon which
to draw . Just a personal observation. I resent the "babble" implication.
George, I totally agree with you. That's why I have to somewhat
sympathize with Kobe Bryant. I don't condone the possibility he raped
a women, but I remember the foolish mistakes I made at age 24. Kobe is
young, dumb and full-of-cum -- no matter how rich and famous he is.
Unfortunately, the public and the media love to cast the first stone!
Post by George Lawrence
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
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"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Matt Porter
Just exactly where is the cutoff age for this emotional maturity and
wisdom
Post by Matt Porter
of which you babble?
Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Yes, if you are in your fifties or so, like Clinton, and especially if
the
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
21 year old is employed by you, it is a more grievous offense. 21 year
old
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
women are legally adults, but emotionally most are not mature or wise
enough
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
to make a choice in the matter and the man is knowingly taking
advantage
of
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
their vanity, gullibility, youth and inexperience and taking advantage
of
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
his position. The average thirty five year old woman is just as guilty
as
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
the man and can't plead innocence (Unless it was rape or assault as some
women have claimed of Clinton).
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
I'm not calling it a sin. I don't believe in "sin" per se. I'm
saying
they
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
were stupid and irresponsible.
No disagreement there. Is sleeping with a 21 year old more stupid and
irresponsible than sleeping with a, say, 35 year old, if you're
married
and
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Glenn Dowdy
neither is your wife?
Glenn D.
Glenn Dowdy
2004-01-04 07:39:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by George Lawrence
Yes, if you are in your fifties or so, like Clinton, and especially if the
21 year old is employed by you, it is a more grievous offense. 21 year old
women are legally adults, but emotionally most are not mature or wise enough
to make a choice in the matter
I don't know enough 21 years olds to make this claim, or to offer a
counter-argument. Do I think that most 35 year old women are more mature
than most 21 year old women? Sure. Are most 21 years old women mature
enough? Don't know.

Sleeping with employees, now that's not a good thing.
Post by George Lawrence
and the man is knowingly taking advantage of
their vanity, gullibility, youth and inexperience and taking advantage of
his position.
First, can't agree (see above); second point, totally agree.

Glenn D.
Mark Rance
2004-01-04 11:19:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Glenn Dowdy
The Bible doesn't differentiate between levels of sin.
Actually, The Bible does...the New Testament does not.

-Mark
Glenn Dowdy
2004-01-04 17:21:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mark Rance
Post by Glenn Dowdy
The Bible doesn't differentiate between levels of sin.
Actually, The Bible does...the New Testament does not.
Right. But didn't the New Testament "fulfill" the Old and take priority?

Glenn D.
Matt Porter
2004-01-04 07:20:06 UTC
Permalink
What a bunch of horseshit. You're smarter than that George although lately
you've chosen not to show it.

Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Yes, very typical of Republicans to choose women old enough to have
menstrual cycles and pubic hair!
http://www.arts.mcgill.ca/programs/history/faculty/TROYWEB/WithIkeRumorsWere
Post by George Lawrence
SteamierThanFacts.htm
I don't know the figures but I would think it a safe bet to say that most
men have cheated on a wife at some point. What made Clinton and Kennedy
particularly pathetic and repulsive is that they took advantage of naive,
very young women interns who were in their employ instead of sticking with
fully grown mature women. The Democrat party would do good to make a "no
female intern" rule for their stays in the white house! :-) Dean looks like
he could use a good blow job. You might want to choose Lieberman in the
primary. He looks like he might have his sexual impulses under control. :-).
I actually like Lieberman. Shame he's not a Republican. I'm sorry, Clinton
and his dick and his lesbian wife and all their low class greedy shenanigans
and lying are why I left the Democrat party. It will take the Democrats a
long time to overcome the damage that man did to them and to the office.
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
It turns out one of the prior romps with interns was by Kennedy. Let's
see,
Post by George Lawrence
was Kennedy a democrat or a republican?
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/83791p-76600c.html
Ike had his English mistress commissioned as a US Army officer in WWII.
Infidelity knows no political boundaries.
Glenn D.
George Lawrence
2004-01-05 04:35:42 UTC
Permalink
Why don't you quit with the insults and address the issue?

--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800

"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Matt Porter
What a bunch of horseshit. You're smarter than that George although lately
you've chosen not to show it.
Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
Yes, very typical of Republicans to choose women old enough to have
menstrual cycles and pubic hair!
http://www.arts.mcgill.ca/programs/history/faculty/TROYWEB/WithIkeRumorsWere
Post by Matt Porter
Post by George Lawrence
SteamierThanFacts.htm
I don't know the figures but I would think it a safe bet to say that most
men have cheated on a wife at some point. What made Clinton and Kennedy
particularly pathetic and repulsive is that they took advantage of naive,
very young women interns who were in their employ instead of sticking
with
Post by George Lawrence
fully grown mature women. The Democrat party would do good to make a "no
female intern" rule for their stays in the white house! :-) Dean looks
like
Post by George Lawrence
he could use a good blow job. You might want to choose Lieberman in the
primary. He looks like he might have his sexual impulses under control.
:-).
Post by George Lawrence
I actually like Lieberman. Shame he's not a Republican. I'm sorry, Clinton
and his dick and his lesbian wife and all their low class greedy
shenanigans
Post by George Lawrence
and lying are why I left the Democrat party. It will take the Democrats a
long time to overcome the damage that man did to them and to the office.
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Glenn Dowdy
Post by George Lawrence
It turns out one of the prior romps with interns was by Kennedy. Let's
see,
Post by George Lawrence
was Kennedy a democrat or a republican?
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/83791p-76600c.html
Ike had his English mistress commissioned as a US Army officer in WWII.
Infidelity knows no political boundaries.
Glenn D.
Matt Porter
2004-01-05 23:00:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by George Lawrence
Why don't you quit with the insults and address the issue?
What insult? I said your statement was HS not you. If you consider them
one in the same that is your issue not mine. If anything I credited you
with being smarter than your statement would imply.

Matt Porter
Mark Rance
2004-01-04 11:18:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by George Lawrence
I don't know the figures but I would think it a safe bet to say that most
men have cheated on a wife at some point.
Really? Have you? I gotta ask...what on earth would compel you to surmise
that???

-Mark
George Lawrence
2004-01-05 04:43:10 UTC
Permalink
Nothing compels me to make this statement other than knowing human nature.
What is your point? Surely not to embarrass me?!!!! Not that I want to have
a conversation with you, Rance, since you have been caught so many times
here in your compulsive lying. I would just as soon you quit trying to
engage me in conversation. I've told you before how I feel about dishonest
people. I cut them off.

--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800

"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Mark Rance
Post by George Lawrence
I don't know the figures but I would think it a safe bet to say that most
men have cheated on a wife at some point.
Really? Have you? I gotta ask...what on earth would compel you to surmise
that???
-Mark
Mark Rance
2004-01-05 17:14:57 UTC
Permalink
My intent was not to embarrass you. Your reaction to the question
embarrassed you.

As for your cutting me off, if that is your desire, please add me to your
killfile. That will make it more complete.

Also, I have never been caught in a lie of any sort. I have said some
things that you do not elect to *believe* are true but they are. But people
will think what they want and your opinion of me has never been particularly
relevant.

-Mark
Post by George Lawrence
Nothing compels me to make this statement other than knowing human nature.
What is your point? Surely not to embarrass me?!!!! Not that I want to have
a conversation with you, Rance, since you have been caught so many times
here in your compulsive lying. I would just as soon you quit trying to
engage me in conversation. I've told you before how I feel about dishonest
people. I cut them off.
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Mark Rance
Post by George Lawrence
I don't know the figures but I would think it a safe bet to say that
most
Post by Mark Rance
Post by George Lawrence
men have cheated on a wife at some point.
Really? Have you? I gotta ask...what on earth would compel you to surmise
that???
-Mark
George Lawrence
2004-01-05 23:56:50 UTC
Permalink
I desired to cut you off because I discovered you to be a dishonest
compulsive liar. Rance, your nose is a foot and a half long. You were
caught saying you were a tax attorney under a phony name. You've also been
called on a lot of other bullshit by many, many people in this group and
then you usually try to talk your way out of it with some really bad and
verbose word dances. You have perfected the art of bullshit because you are
such a liar. We basically chased you out of this group and you have been
slowly but surely sneaking back in. If you want to revisit all your
dishonesty that I "believe" we can all get our google chops out and revisit
your old tired crap out again. I suggest you just leave quietly. Do not
confront me about anything again.

BTW, your question is idiotic and it did not embarrass me. You should feel
embarrassed for asking such a question. If you ask someone in public if
they ever cheated on their wife, the only answer that is believable is yes.
Anyone who says no may be lying. You are not only a liar but fool. I will
not killfile you because I choose to keep exposing you. My opinion of you is
very relevant to some people.

--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800

"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Mark Rance
My intent was not to embarrass you. Your reaction to the question
embarrassed you.
As for your cutting me off, if that is your desire, please add me to your
killfile. That will make it more complete.
Also, I have never been caught in a lie of any sort. I have said some
things that you do not elect to *believe* are true but they are. But people
will think what they want and your opinion of me has never been particularly
relevant.
-Mark
Post by George Lawrence
Nothing compels me to make this statement other than knowing human nature.
What is your point? Surely not to embarrass me?!!!! Not that I want to
have
Post by George Lawrence
a conversation with you, Rance, since you have been caught so many times
here in your compulsive lying. I would just as soon you quit trying to
engage me in conversation. I've told you before how I feel about dishonest
people. I cut them off.
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Mark Rance
Post by George Lawrence
I don't know the figures but I would think it a safe bet to say that
most
Post by Mark Rance
Post by George Lawrence
men have cheated on a wife at some point.
Really? Have you? I gotta ask...what on earth would compel you to
surmise
Post by George Lawrence
Post by Mark Rance
that???
-Mark
Mark Rance
2004-01-06 17:14:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by George Lawrence
I desired to cut you off because I discovered you to be a dishonest
compulsive liar. Rance, your nose is a foot and a half long. You were
caught saying you were a tax attorney under a phony name.
Not that I feel compelled to explain and justify myself to you, but I will
this once.
I passed the Colorado bar exam a number of years ago and did some work in
tax law.
What does that mean? In that post, made ro rec.woodworking, was made in my
real name. I would post the google link but I know I'll enrich your day by
letter you do it yourself. Afterall, you love that stuff.

What, exactly, do you know about my credentials? Careful, I said "KNOW",
not what you choose to believe, think is plausible or whatever other
conjecture you may apply.
Post by George Lawrence
You've also been
called on a lot of other bullshit by many, many people in this group and
then you usually try to talk your way out of it with some really bad and
verbose word dances.
Yup, I have been called out on the amount of weight I squat and for how much
money I paid in taxes and some other really important issues. I have no
reason to lie because impressing you or anyone else here (assuming that
would be the alleged motive), is meaningless.
Post by George Lawrence
We basically chased you out of this group and you have been
slowly but surely sneaking back in.
Who is "we" ?? I applaud your attempt to make your chest pounding crusade
sound as if it is really you and your army by using words like "we." To be
clear, you chased me out of no group. My participation here swells and
shrinks inversely as the other demands on my time swll and shrink. Nothing
more, nothing less. If you REALLY think that your opinion of me (and that
of your army) phases me even slightly, you'd be mistaken, You.re realy
killing me here...are you that self-important?

I must not have been clear when I stated that your view of me, or the masses
here for that matter, (no insults intended) is/are just not that relevant to
me. I think you are really, really over-estimating your ability to impact
people here or the degree to which people are concerned about your views. I
do not mean that as a slam, either.
Post by George Lawrence
If you want to revisit all your
dishonesty that I "believe" we can all get our google chops out and revisit
your old tired crap out again.
I do not wish to revisit that, but it sounds like you do. If you think that
that is the most productive use of your time and/or that doing so and
rehashing it here add that much value, then have at it.
Post by George Lawrence
I suggest you just leave quietly. Do not
confront me about anything again.
And I suggest you kiss my ass! Constitutionally, I am afforded the right to
speak my views and I will exercise that right when and how I see fit. Dig?

I will confront you on absolutely whatever I feel compelled to. Understand?
For a midget, you sure talk a tough game.
Post by George Lawrence
BTW, your question is idiotic and it did not embarrass me.
Good. As I said, it was not designed to. That was not my intent.
Post by George Lawrence
You should feel embarrassed for asking such a question.
Really? Why? I gotta tell you, I don't...but I am excited to hear why I
should.
Post by George Lawrence
If you ask someone in public if
they ever cheated on their wife, the only answer that is believable is yes.
Anyone who says no may be lying. You are not only a liar but fool.
That is the most absurd platform I have ever heard.

Aren't you a little old for all of this name-calling?
To have accomplished all that I have in my life to have done so being a liar
and a fool, no less, is pretty remarkable.
Post by George Lawrence
I will
not killfile you because I choose to keep exposing you. My opinion of you is
very relevant to some people.
I love the crusades you elect to embark upon. All the mental and emotional
energy you waste. Your opinions are not near as revereed here as you
think, but lets say they are and you could grow your army from its current
ranks of 1, to 100% of the people here. Then what? Can you feed your
family with that? Will that get you in the history books as someone who
made a huge impact on the world and humankind? Or does it just make you
feel good to revenge whatever areas in your life your not excited about your
achievements? I really don;t know but I find it sad, sad, sad.

Anyhow, I believe the real reason you will not killfile me is because you
love this bickering and doing so provides you a platform to (once again)
assume your superior cloak and know-it-all scarf and lecture on and on. If
this were Trafalgar Square you'd be able to see the masses rolling their
eyes and walking away. On Usenet, that occurrence is invisible to you so
you go on and on, convivting yourself more each day of how right and
honorable and noble you are and your "exposing me" is oh so serving the
public good. . I really feel sorry for you. What a lost life.

This is the last substantial response you'll get from me on this garbage.
You're free to believe whatever you (and your army) elect to. I promise
you. my cereal is crunchy tomorrow in spite of whether you like me or not.
I know that you think that your opinion should matter a whole lot more to me
than that..it just doesnt.

Have a nice day,
-Mark
nick amoroso
2004-01-06 18:16:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mark Rance
For a midget, you sure talk a tough game.
how classy.

peace,
:nick amoroso:
professional drums and instruction
proud endorser of silver fox drumsticks
http://www.nickamoroso.com
-----
"are you that self-important?" ~ mark rance
Mark Rance
2004-01-06 21:03:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by nick amoroso
Post by Mark Rance
For a midget, you sure talk a tough game.
how classy.
Hey Nick,

Thanks for responding. I am excited and anxious to see your follow-up post
highlighting all of the "classy" things and name calling which George posted
in his personal attack on me that you site one line from.

Baited breath,
-Mark
Kirt Wingard
2004-01-06 21:39:13 UTC
Permalink
"Mark Rance" <***@pcisys.network> wrote in message news:***@corp.supernews.com...
:
: "nick amoroso" <***@aol.comICAL> wrote in message
: news:***@mb-m11.aol.com...
: > mark rance wrote:
: >
: > >For a midget, you sure talk a tough game.
: >
: > how classy.
:
: Hey Nick,
:
: Thanks for responding. I am excited and anxious to see your follow-up
post
: highlighting all of the "classy" things and name calling which George
posted
: in his personal attack on me that you site one line from.

Why don't you just give it a rest? This entire thread has degenerated into
a pissing contest that you can't possibly win.

(I will tell you for your own benefit that your sentences are filled with
grammatical errors and mispellings and certainly do not make you look
erudite much less support any claims of a post-secondary education.)

/kirt
--
"If I don't teach the kids about the blues, who will?"
-Dr. Johnny Fever of "WKRP in Cincinnati"
morris
2004-01-07 02:09:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mark Rance
Post by nick amoroso
Post by Mark Rance
For a midget, you sure talk a tough game.
how classy.
Hey Nick,
Thanks for responding. I am excited and anxious to see your follow-up post
highlighting all of the "classy" things and name calling which George posted
in his personal attack on me that you site one line from.
Baited breath,
-Mark
you may know this and are engaging in wordplay, but for the record,
it's...."bated" breath.

" to reduce the force or intensity"

carry on............. :-)
nick amoroso
2004-01-07 03:43:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mark Rance
Hey Nick,
Thanks for responding.
my pleasure!

I am excited and anxious to see your follow-up post
Post by Mark Rance
highlighting all of the "classy" things and name calling which George posted
in his personal attack on me that you site one line from.
actually, i think i'd be hard-pressed to find anyone here who didn't agree with
george. please speak up and prove me wrong, folks!

and i assume you meant "cite?"

since you obviously missed the point: insulting george in rob schuh's
inimitable fashion flushed any *little* shred of credibility that you had down
the toilet. i didn't realize it took so little for you to behave exactly like
him here. hair-trigger?

yeah, yeah - "your opinion of me... blah blah blah." heard it before. didn't
care then, either. :-)

peace,
:nick amoroso:
professional drums and instruction
proud endorser of silver fox drumsticks
http://www.nickamoroso.com
-----
"are you that self-important?" ~ mark rance
Mark Rance
2004-01-07 07:46:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by nick amoroso
actually, i think i'd be hard-pressed to find anyone here who didn't agree with
george. please speak up and prove me wrong, folks!
Nick,

You're not focussing here, Pay attention.

The specific question posed to you was not about who would or would not
agree with the egregious claims George made. The question was, since you
want to find fault with name callers...what name calling did George do that
you found to be "classy" as well?

I know that you're not a hypocrite so I feel certain that your definition of
"classy" will apply equally to all, right?

-Mark
nick amoroso
2004-01-07 18:18:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mark Rance
Post by nick amoroso
actually, i think i'd be hard-pressed to find anyone here who didn't agree
with
Post by nick amoroso
george. please speak up and prove me wrong, folks!
Nick,
You're not focussing here, Pay attention.
bzzt! poor attempts at distractions don't work. i'm still waiting for the
legion of mark rance/bill willis supporters to speak up and tell me, george,
etc. why we and just about everyone else here who has interacted with you
lately are wrong about you.

anyone?

anyone?

[cricket]

"top tip:" since you're evolution is moving along so well, your next course of
action will be to start calling people "skippy" and cussing people out for not
posting their real names. you already bench twelve million pounds, right?
Post by Mark Rance
The specific question posed to you was not about who would or would not
agree with the egregious claims George made. The question was, since you
want to find fault with name callers...what name calling did George do that
you found to be "classy" as well?
then *you* missed the point. go figure! i do, however, find it funny how
quickly you've turned into rob schuh. go bill!

peace,
:nick amoroso:
professional drums and instruction
proud endorser of silver fox drumsticks
http://www.nickamoroso.com
-----
"are you that self-important?" ~ mark rance
George Lawrence
2004-01-07 06:28:00 UTC
Permalink
Let me make this perfectly clear. If you confront me again, the result will
be that I will bring up your lying. This is a lose-lose situation for you.
Engage me = more wordage about Mark Rance the liar. I've been calling you a
phony to your face (email) for years and then, after it was thoroughly
proven to me last year, I told you that you that I was diasappointed in you
and that you have a problem with compulsive lying and cut you off at my
store because I cannot trust you. I have not been communicating with you and
you have slowly but surely tried to get me to converse with you again. I
spotted you as a jiveass early on and I should have followed my instincts
and never talked to you at all or had anything to do with you. You know I
don't pull any punches so just steer clear of me. I suggest you kill file me
so you won't be tempted to . I will be watching you.

I don't have an "army" and the "WE" I refer to is everyone else here who has
busted your for lying, repeatedly. That is a lot of people. Your decreases
in posting volume in this group has been directly proportionate to your
being busted by someone for lying. this is very easily proved with google.
As far as using google, it is just a wonderful resource isn't it? Type your
name and the words "liar" and "lie" into google and see what comes up . Holy
shit! That alone should send you to an analyst to do something about your
problem. It is embarrassing. I bet you wish google would disappear. You are
right that your opinion of me and my opinion of you doesn't matter about all
of this. The published record stands. You are a compulsive liar and you
would be hard pressed to find a regular in this group to disagree.

Your use of the English language is atrocious; suspiciously volumous,
pretentious, impostrous and indirect; the language of a liar trying to cover
his tracks with camouflage and deflection. Everyone who reads you notices
this. It has been remarked upon time and time again. Now you have to borrow
ad hominems from Rob Schuh? That alone should get you kicked off the
island. You are slipping.

Kiss your ass? Let me teach you how to curse properly . You and your mama
can get down on your calloused knees and suck my rebel dick. Try not to make
as much groaning noise as you did last time and buy your mama some teeth
with the money. :-)

--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800

"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Mark Rance
Post by George Lawrence
I desired to cut you off because I discovered you to be a dishonest
compulsive liar. Rance, your nose is a foot and a half long. You were
caught saying you were a tax attorney under a phony name.
Not that I feel compelled to explain and justify myself to you, but I will
this once.
I passed the Colorado bar exam a number of years ago and did some work in
tax law.
What does that mean? In that post, made ro rec.woodworking, was made in my
real name. I would post the google link but I know I'll enrich your day by
letter you do it yourself. Afterall, you love that stuff.
What, exactly, do you know about my credentials? Careful, I said "KNOW",
not what you choose to believe, think is plausible or whatever other
conjecture you may apply.
Post by George Lawrence
You've also been
called on a lot of other bullshit by many, many people in this group and
then you usually try to talk your way out of it with some really bad and
verbose word dances.
Yup, I have been called out on the amount of weight I squat and for how much
money I paid in taxes and some other really important issues. I have no
reason to lie because impressing you or anyone else here (assuming that
would be the alleged motive), is meaningless.
Post by George Lawrence
We basically chased you out of this group and you have been
slowly but surely sneaking back in.
Who is "we" ?? I applaud your attempt to make your chest pounding crusade
sound as if it is really you and your army by using words like "we." To be
clear, you chased me out of no group. My participation here swells and
shrinks inversely as the other demands on my time swll and shrink.
Nothing
Post by Mark Rance
more, nothing less. If you REALLY think that your opinion of me (and that
of your army) phases me even slightly, you'd be mistaken, You.re realy
killing me here...are you that self-important?
I must not have been clear when I stated that your view of me, or the masses
here for that matter, (no insults intended) is/are just not that relevant to
me. I think you are really, really over-estimating your ability to impact
people here or the degree to which people are concerned about your views.
I
Post by Mark Rance
do not mean that as a slam, either.
Post by George Lawrence
If you want to revisit all your
dishonesty that I "believe" we can all get our google chops out and
revisit
Post by George Lawrence
your old tired crap out again.
I do not wish to revisit that, but it sounds like you do. If you think that
that is the most productive use of your time and/or that doing so and
rehashing it here add that much value, then have at it.
Post by George Lawrence
I suggest you just leave quietly. Do not
confront me about anything again.
And I suggest you kiss my ass! Constitutionally, I am afforded the right to
speak my views and I will exercise that right when and how I see fit.
Dig?
Post by Mark Rance
I will confront you on absolutely whatever I feel compelled to. Understand?
For a midget, you sure talk a tough game.
Post by George Lawrence
BTW, your question is idiotic and it did not embarrass me.
Good. As I said, it was not designed to. That was not my intent.
Post by George Lawrence
You should feel embarrassed for asking such a question.
Really? Why? I gotta tell you, I don't...but I am excited to hear why I
should.
Post by George Lawrence
If you ask someone in public if
they ever cheated on their wife, the only answer that is believable is
yes.
Post by George Lawrence
Anyone who says no may be lying. You are not only a liar but fool.
That is the most absurd platform I have ever heard.
Aren't you a little old for all of this name-calling?
To have accomplished all that I have in my life to have done so being a liar
and a fool, no less, is pretty remarkable.
Post by George Lawrence
I will
not killfile you because I choose to keep exposing you. My opinion of
you
Post by Mark Rance
is
Post by George Lawrence
very relevant to some people.
I love the crusades you elect to embark upon. All the mental and emotional
energy you waste. Your opinions are not near as revereed here as you
think, but lets say they are and you could grow your army from its current
ranks of 1, to 100% of the people here. Then what? Can you feed your
family with that? Will that get you in the history books as someone who
made a huge impact on the world and humankind? Or does it just make you
feel good to revenge whatever areas in your life your not excited about your
achievements? I really don;t know but I find it sad, sad, sad.
Anyhow, I believe the real reason you will not killfile me is because you
love this bickering and doing so provides you a platform to (once again)
assume your superior cloak and know-it-all scarf and lecture on and on.
If
Post by Mark Rance
this were Trafalgar Square you'd be able to see the masses rolling their
eyes and walking away. On Usenet, that occurrence is invisible to you so
you go on and on, convivting yourself more each day of how right and
honorable and noble you are and your "exposing me" is oh so serving the
public good. . I really feel sorry for you. What a lost life.
This is the last substantial response you'll get from me on this garbage.
You're free to believe whatever you (and your army) elect to. I promise
you. my cereal is crunchy tomorrow in spite of whether you like me or not.
I know that you think that your opinion should matter a whole lot more to me
than that..it just doesnt.
Have a nice day,
-Mark
Mark Rance
2004-01-07 07:22:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by George Lawrence
Let me make this perfectly clear. If you confront me again, the result will
be that I will bring up your lying.
Carry on, wayward son.
Post by George Lawrence
This is a lose-lose situation for you.
Engage me = more wordage about Mark Rance the liar.
You're assuming, of course, that anyone (but you) cares and will read your
diatribes. You have also failed to realize that you cannot sling mud
without getting some on yourself. All for the greater cause, I know...
Post by George Lawrence
I've been calling you a
phony to your face (email) for years and then, after it was thoroughly
proven to me last year.
I know, I know. And others here have been calling you a felon for having
been caught dealing cocaine. If all stated here is true, we have that.
Google proves it. Plus, that your a obsessive compulsive, low self image
midget. Not my words, just stuff I got off of google on you.
Post by George Lawrence
I told you that you that I was diasappointed in you
and that you have a problem with compulsive lying and cut you off at my
store because I cannot trust you.
Actually, you can trust me as before I cut you off as a drum dealer I chose
to work with, I bought several things from you and paid you promptly. True?
Did my checks boubce? Was I ever late? Additionally, when you were looking
for a copy of the Henry Adler video, I lent you mine, no questions asked.
Remember?
Post by George Lawrence
I have not been communicating with you and
you have slowly but surely tried to get me to converse with you again.
I have NO INTEREST in conversing with you...in fact PLEASE do not respond to
this post! Let me be as clear as I can. I have no interest in continuing
dialogue with you and I have plenty of local drumer dealers who are happy to
have my business and they're more timely and responsive. So in that realm
you're happy to be rid of me and I am happy to have gone elsewhere.
Post by George Lawrence
I spotted you as a jiveass early on and I should have followed my
instincts
Post by George Lawrence
and never talked to you at all or had anything to do with you.
My life would have been considerably enriched had you elected to follow that
instinct.
Post by George Lawrence
You know I
don't pull any punches so just steer clear of me. I suggest you kill file me
so you won't be tempted to . I will be watching you.
I am not inclined to killfile you because when you're not embarking on your
all-too-frequent crusades, you do actually, occasionally, add value to this
board on the subject of drumming.
Post by George Lawrence
I don't have an "army" and the "WE" I refer to is everyone else here who has
busted your for lying, repeatedly. That is a lot of people.
Actually, that is you and your imaginary friends. as I said, an army of 1
plus your other personalities.
Post by George Lawrence
Your decreases
in posting volume in this group has been directly proportionate to your
being busted by someone for lying. this is very easily proved with google.
I am sorry that my earlier explanation was beyond your ability to
comprehends. Let me say it more slowly....My participation here
shrinks and swells with the other demands on
my time. Sometimes my time is consumed by family and
sometimes it is consumed by the pursuit of making money. Succinctly
I post more when I have more time and less when I have less
time. Dig? I know you think that it is because you and your army drove me
away, but that is a misguided view.
Post by George Lawrence
As far as using google, it is just a wonderful resource isn't it? Type your
name and the words "liar" and "lie" into google and see what comes up .
Type your name with the words "cocaine" and "felon" and see what comes up.
Post by George Lawrence
Holy shit! That alone should send you to an analyst to do something about
your
Post by George Lawrence
problem.
I agree. It would seem that you have a drug problem! I mean, it was on
google so it HAS to be true, right?

I remember when you joined this group as a neophyte internet and usenet
person. Now you're the expert.

Type in K mart or Wal Mart and google and see what comes up. Obviously, all
of that is true too...after all...goggle said so.

I do not think you're a stupid man but you say some exceedingly stupid
things.
Post by George Lawrence
It is embarrassing. I bet you wish google would disappear. You are
right that your opinion of me and my opinion of you doesn't matter about all
of this. The published record stands. You are a compulsive liar and you
would be hard pressed to find a regular in this group to disagree.
And you're a convicted felon. I know, because google told me so!
You'd be hard pressed to find a gogle-search capable person in this group
who cannot conclude the same for themselves. After all, as per your
platform, Google is Gospel, right?

Anyhow, I am excited to meet you. Where is it that you live? I would
prefer for you to tell me all of this stuff to my face. I just think it
would be more authentic that way.

-Mark
George Lawrence
2004-01-07 17:19:25 UTC
Permalink
Only Rob Schuh has ever come up with that bullshit about " cocaine and
felon". It is hard to tell the difference between you and Rob Schuh now. You
are grasping at straws. pathetic.

--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800

"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Mark Rance
Post by George Lawrence
Let me make this perfectly clear. If you confront me again, the result
will
Post by George Lawrence
be that I will bring up your lying.
Carry on, wayward son.
Post by George Lawrence
This is a lose-lose situation for you.
Engage me = more wordage about Mark Rance the liar.
You're assuming, of course, that anyone (but you) cares and will read your
diatribes. You have also failed to realize that you cannot sling mud
without getting some on yourself. All for the greater cause, I know...
Post by George Lawrence
I've been calling you a
phony to your face (email) for years and then, after it was thoroughly
proven to me last year.
I know, I know. And others here have been calling you a felon for having
been caught dealing cocaine. If all stated here is true, we have that.
Google proves it. Plus, that your a obsessive compulsive, low self image
midget. Not my words, just stuff I got off of google on you.
Post by George Lawrence
I told you that you that I was diasappointed in you
and that you have a problem with compulsive lying and cut you off at my
store because I cannot trust you.
Actually, you can trust me as before I cut you off as a drum dealer I chose
to work with, I bought several things from you and paid you promptly.
True?
Post by Mark Rance
Did my checks boubce? Was I ever late? Additionally, when you were looking
for a copy of the Henry Adler video, I lent you mine, no questions asked.
Remember?
Post by George Lawrence
I have not been communicating with you and
you have slowly but surely tried to get me to converse with you again.
I have NO INTEREST in conversing with you...in fact PLEASE do not respond to
this post! Let me be as clear as I can. I have no interest in continuing
dialogue with you and I have plenty of local drumer dealers who are happy to
have my business and they're more timely and responsive. So in that realm
you're happy to be rid of me and I am happy to have gone elsewhere.
Post by George Lawrence
I spotted you as a jiveass early on and I should have followed my
instincts
Post by George Lawrence
and never talked to you at all or had anything to do with you.
My life would have been considerably enriched had you elected to follow that
instinct.
Post by George Lawrence
You know I
don't pull any punches so just steer clear of me. I suggest you kill
file
Post by Mark Rance
me
Post by George Lawrence
so you won't be tempted to . I will be watching you.
I am not inclined to killfile you because when you're not embarking on your
all-too-frequent crusades, you do actually, occasionally, add value to this
board on the subject of drumming.
Post by George Lawrence
I don't have an "army" and the "WE" I refer to is everyone else here who
has
Post by George Lawrence
busted your for lying, repeatedly. That is a lot of people.
Actually, that is you and your imaginary friends. as I said, an army of 1
plus your other personalities.
Post by George Lawrence
Your decreases
in posting volume in this group has been directly proportionate to your
being busted by someone for lying. this is very easily proved with google.
I am sorry that my earlier explanation was beyond your ability to
comprehends. Let me say it more slowly....My participation here
shrinks and swells with the other demands on
my time. Sometimes my time is consumed by family
and
Post by Mark Rance
sometimes it is consumed by the pursuit of making money. Succinctly
I post more when I have more time and less when I have less
time. Dig? I know you think that it is because you and your army drove me
away, but that is a misguided view.
Post by George Lawrence
As far as using google, it is just a wonderful resource isn't it? Type
your
Post by George Lawrence
name and the words "liar" and "lie" into google and see what comes up .
Type your name with the words "cocaine" and "felon" and see what comes up.
Post by George Lawrence
Holy shit! That alone should send you to an analyst to do something about
your
Post by George Lawrence
problem.
I agree. It would seem that you have a drug problem! I mean, it was on
google so it HAS to be true, right?
I remember when you joined this group as a neophyte internet and usenet
person. Now you're the expert.
Type in K mart or Wal Mart and google and see what comes up. Obviously, all
of that is true too...after all...goggle said so.
I do not think you're a stupid man but you say some exceedingly stupid
things.
Post by George Lawrence
It is embarrassing. I bet you wish google would disappear. You are
right that your opinion of me and my opinion of you doesn't matter about
all
Post by George Lawrence
of this. The published record stands. You are a compulsive liar and you
would be hard pressed to find a regular in this group to disagree.
And you're a convicted felon. I know, because google told me so!
You'd be hard pressed to find a gogle-search capable person in this group
who cannot conclude the same for themselves. After all, as per your
platform, Google is Gospel, right?
Anyhow, I am excited to meet you. Where is it that you live? I would
prefer for you to tell me all of this stuff to my face. I just think it
would be more authentic that way.
-Mark
Steve Gardner
2004-01-07 17:11:06 UTC
Permalink
In article <QFNKb.21760$P%***@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>, George
Lawrence says...
Post by George Lawrence
Let me make this perfectly clear. If you confront me again, the result will
be that I will bring up your lying. This is a lose-lose situation for you.
Engage me = more wordage about Mark Rance the liar. I've been calling you a
phony to your face (email) for years and then, after it was thoroughly
proven to me last year, I told you that you that I was diasappointed in you
and that you have a problem with compulsive lying and cut you off at my
store because I cannot trust you. I have not been communicating with you and
you have slowly but surely tried to get me to converse with you again. I
spotted you as a jiveass early on and I should have followed my instincts
and never talked to you at all or had anything to do with you. You know I
don't pull any punches so just steer clear of me. I suggest you kill file me
so you won't be tempted to . I will be watching you.
I don't have an "army" and the "WE" I refer to is everyone else here who has
busted your for lying, repeatedly. That is a lot of people. Your decreases
in posting volume in this group has been directly proportionate to your
being busted by someone for lying. this is very easily proved with google.
As far as using google, it is just a wonderful resource isn't it? Type your
name and the words "liar" and "lie" into google and see what comes up . Holy
shit! That alone should send you to an analyst to do something about your
problem. It is embarrassing. I bet you wish google would disappear. You are
right that your opinion of me and my opinion of you doesn't matter about all
of this. The published record stands. You are a compulsive liar and you
would be hard pressed to find a regular in this group to disagree.
Your use of the English language is atrocious; suspiciously volumous,
pretentious, impostrous and indirect; the language of a liar trying to cover
his tracks with camouflage and deflection. Everyone who reads you notices
this. It has been remarked upon time and time again. Now you have to borrow
ad hominems from Rob Schuh? That alone should get you kicked off the
island. You are slipping.
Kiss your ass? Let me teach you how to curse properly . You and your mama
can get down on your calloused knees and suck my rebel dick. Try not to make
as much groaning noise as you did last time and buy your mama some teeth
with the money. :-)
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
So, I guess its a pretty safe bet that Rance will not be using your NAMM pass?
BlueM0ZARK
2004-01-07 18:17:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve Gardner
So, I guess its a pretty safe bet that Rance will not be using your NAMM
pass?<

This reminds me of that classic line from Full Metal Jacket when the Tet
offensive had started.
"Does this mean Anne Margaret's not coming?" :-]
nick amoroso
2004-01-07 18:28:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by BlueM0ZARK
This reminds me of that classic line from Full Metal Jacket when the Tet
offensive had started.
"Does this mean Anne Margaret's not coming?" :-]
LOL!

"practical question - are we playing 'stonehenge' tomorrow night?"

peace,
:nick amoroso:
professional drums and instruction
proud endorser of silver fox drumsticks
http://www.nickamoroso.com
-----
"are you that self-important?" ~ mark rance
George Lawrence
2004-01-08 00:01:02 UTC
Permalink
Ha!

--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800

"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Steve Gardner
Lawrence says...
Post by George Lawrence
Let me make this perfectly clear. If you confront me again, the result will
be that I will bring up your lying. This is a lose-lose situation for you.
Engage me = more wordage about Mark Rance the liar. I've been calling you a
phony to your face (email) for years and then, after it was thoroughly
proven to me last year, I told you that you that I was diasappointed in you
and that you have a problem with compulsive lying and cut you off at my
store because I cannot trust you. I have not been communicating with you and
you have slowly but surely tried to get me to converse with you again. I
spotted you as a jiveass early on and I should have followed my instincts
and never talked to you at all or had anything to do with you. You know I
don't pull any punches so just steer clear of me. I suggest you kill file me
so you won't be tempted to . I will be watching you.
I don't have an "army" and the "WE" I refer to is everyone else here who has
busted your for lying, repeatedly. That is a lot of people. Your decreases
in posting volume in this group has been directly proportionate to your
being busted by someone for lying. this is very easily proved with google.
As far as using google, it is just a wonderful resource isn't it? Type your
name and the words "liar" and "lie" into google and see what comes up . Holy
shit! That alone should send you to an analyst to do something about your
problem. It is embarrassing. I bet you wish google would disappear. You are
right that your opinion of me and my opinion of you doesn't matter about all
of this. The published record stands. You are a compulsive liar and you
would be hard pressed to find a regular in this group to disagree.
Your use of the English language is atrocious; suspiciously volumous,
pretentious, impostrous and indirect; the language of a liar trying to cover
his tracks with camouflage and deflection. Everyone who reads you notices
this. It has been remarked upon time and time again. Now you have to borrow
ad hominems from Rob Schuh? That alone should get you kicked off the
island. You are slipping.
Kiss your ass? Let me teach you how to curse properly . You and your mama
can get down on your calloused knees and suck my rebel dick. Try not to make
as much groaning noise as you did last time and buy your mama some teeth
with the money. :-)
--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
So, I guess its a pretty safe bet that Rance will not be using your NAMM pass?
BKO
2004-01-07 18:54:48 UTC
Permalink
Let me teach you how to curse properly ...
Uh, George, with due respect, I'm thinkin' you coulda done better :)

BKO
vaughn
2003-12-31 20:15:32 UTC
Permalink
thanks for the shirt. you know who howard dean is? ROTFLMAO!!!
--
vaughn
http://www.ghostnote.net
Post by Dunnett
http://home.earthlink.net/~no2bush/dishonestdubya.html
ROTFLMAO!!!
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