Freddie Gruber

[Jeffrey Burns]

I've just been going back through old MD magazines and I keep coming across
articles from Weckl, Smith, Peart who keep swearing up and down about all
the positive changes after spending a little time with Freddie. I know he
stress natural motion, etc....

Anyone more familiar with his teachings or have studied with him?

J

[enp]

Post by Jeffrey Burns
I've just been going back through old MD magazines and I keep coming across
articles from Weckl, Smith, Peart who keep swearing up and down about all
the positive changes after spending a little time with Freddie. I know he
stress natural motion, etc....
Anyone more familiar with his teachings or have studied with him?
J
--
Jeffrey Burns
http://makedrumsbeat.tripod.com/

To listen to Dom Famularo talk about him, you'd think he was the second
coming of Satan!

elliot

[The Baz]

What did Dom F say about Gruber??
Baz

Post by Jeffrey Burns

Post by Jeffrey Burns
I've just been going back through old MD magazines and I keep coming

across

Post by Jeffrey Burns
articles from Weckl, Smith, Peart who keep swearing up and down about all
the positive changes after spending a little time with Freddie. I know he
stress natural motion, etc....
Anyone more familiar with his teachings or have studied with him?
J
--
Jeffrey Burns
http://makedrumsbeat.tripod.com/

To listen to Dom Famularo talk about him, you'd think he was the second
coming of Satan!
elliot

[enp]

Post by The Baz
What did Dom F say about Gruber??
Baz

Honestly, no paraphrasing, he said that he was a fraud.

elliot

[Paul Hobson]

Post by Jeffrey Burns

Post by Jeffrey Burns
I've just been going back through old MD magazines and I keep coming

across

Post by Jeffrey Burns
articles from Weckl, Smith, Peart who keep swearing up and down about all
the positive changes after spending a little time with Freddie. I know he
stress natural motion, etc....
Anyone more familiar with his teachings or have studied with him?
J
--
Jeffrey Burns
http://makedrumsbeat.tripod.com/

To listen to Dom Famularo talk about him, you'd think he was the second
coming of Satan!
elliot

I've a Dave Weckl video where he lets Freddie say a few words. The man
makes no sense whatsoever. I watch his part of the video simply to
laugh. That's sad, I know. But seriously, he's either over my head, or
a senile old man.

\\paul

[enp]

Post by Paul Hobson
I've a Dave Weckl video where he lets Freddie say a few words. The man
makes no sense whatsoever. I watch his part of the video simply to
laugh. That's sad, I know. But seriously, he's either over my head, or
a senile old man.
\\paul
--
Paul M. Hobson
Georgia Institute of Technology
http://www.underthecouch.org
.:you may want to fix my email
address before you send anything:.

So, who are the true 'gurus'? There are many great, great teachers, but
let's look beyond just a great teacher.

Two come to mind for me: Alan Dawson (ex-Berklee, r.i.p.) and Jim Blackley
(Toronto)

I've never met either, however their names generate a level of respect and
almost reverence when speaking to those who studied with them. I know that
many a great Canadian Drummer has spent time with Mr. Blackley, and Alan
Dawson's effect on students is legendary.

Any others?

elliot

[M***@CABLEAZ.COM]

I saw Alan in clinics twice. My University brought him in for a drum
week and I got to be his host and drive him around. This afforded me
the chance to talk with him a bit. What a great guy. What was amazing
was watching him do rudiments cleanly with brushes.

[Matt]

Ed Soph and Gary Chaffee come to mind. I wouldn't mind sitting down and
getting my ass kicked by those two for a couple of years.

Matt Porter

Post by enp
So, who are the true 'gurus'? There are many great, great teachers, but
let's look beyond just a great teacher.
Two come to mind for me: Alan Dawson (ex-Berklee, r.i.p.) and Jim Blackley
(Toronto)
I've never met either, however their names generate a level of respect and
almost reverence when speaking to those who studied with them. I know that
many a great Canadian Drummer has spent time with Mr. Blackley, and Alan
Dawson's effect on students is legendary.
Any others?
elliot

[t***@yahoo.com]

Post by Matt
Ed Soph and Gary Chaffee come to mind. I wouldn't mind sitting down and
getting my ass kicked by those two for a couple of years.
Matt Porter

Post by enp
So, who are the true 'gurus'? There are many great, great teachers, but
let's look beyond just a great teacher.
Two come to mind for me: Alan Dawson (ex-Berklee, r.i.p.) and Jim Blackley
(Toronto)
I've never met either, however their names generate a level of respect and
almost reverence when speaking to those who studied with them. I know that
many a great Canadian Drummer has spent time with Mr. Blackley, and Alan
Dawson's effect on students is legendary.
Any others?
elliot

Gary Chester was definitely a guru. Just reading about his take on
life is inspirational and his New Breed books are legendary.

Nate

[Steve Turner]

I was thinking of Ed Soph too.

Post by Matt
Ed Soph and Gary Chaffee come to mind. I wouldn't mind sitting down and
getting my ass kicked by those two for a couple of years.
Matt Porter

Post by enp
So, who are the true 'gurus'? There are many great, great teachers, but
let's look beyond just a great teacher.
Two come to mind for me: Alan Dawson (ex-Berklee, r.i.p.) and Jim Blackley
(Toronto)
I've never met either, however their names generate a level of respect and
almost reverence when speaking to those who studied with them. I know that
many a great Canadian Drummer has spent time with Mr. Blackley, and Alan
Dawson's effect on students is legendary.
Any others?
elliot

[TJ Hertz]

Post by enp

Post by Paul Hobson
I've a Dave Weckl video where he lets Freddie say a few words. The
man makes no sense whatsoever. I watch his part of the video simply
to laugh. That's sad, I know. But seriously, he's either over my
head, or a senile old man.
\\paul
--
Paul M. Hobson
Georgia Institute of Technology
http://www.underthecouch.org
.:you may want to fix my email
address before you send anything:.

So, who are the true 'gurus'? There are many great, great teachers,
but let's look beyond just a great teacher.
Two come to mind for me: Alan Dawson (ex-Berklee, r.i.p.) and Jim
Blackley (Toronto)
I've never met either, however their names generate a level of
respect and almost reverence when speaking to those who studied with
them. I know that many a great Canadian Drummer has spent time with
Mr. Blackley, and Alan Dawson's effect on students is legendary.
Any others?
elliot

Jim Chapin, for the sheer number of students, both high and low-profile, to
whom he's taught the Moeller technique.

--
tj hertz

[Mark Rance]

Post by enp

Post by Paul Hobson
I've a Dave Weckl video where he lets Freddie say a few words. The man
makes no sense whatsoever. I watch his part of the video simply to
laugh. That's sad, I know. But seriously, he's either over my head, or
a senile old man.
\\paul
--
Paul M. Hobson
Georgia Institute of Technology
http://www.underthecouch.org
.:you may want to fix my email
address before you send anything:.

So, who are the true 'gurus'? There are many great, great teachers, but
let's look beyond just a great teacher.
Two come to mind for me: Alan Dawson (ex-Berklee, r.i.p.) and Jim Blackley
(Toronto)

I would think you would have to add Chaffee to that group, also.

As for Gruber, there are quite a number of serious cats who studied with him
and thereafter endorse Gruber and his methodologies.
Weckl, Peart are two that I know of, but surely there are others. Wasn't
Buddy Rich another?
Regardless, whether you like like their music/styles or not, collectively
those two had something like 55 years of playing experience
BEFORE they saw Gruber. are they just gullible and fell for his teachings
or is there something else at play here?

Dom Famularo is about the most positive person whom I have ever met. I have
never heard him say a negative word about anything
nor anyone. HE did a clinic a few years ago in Colorado Springs and I got
to meet him then. He had heard about the weather here and
300 days of sunshine a year on aveage and it was overcast and cold that day.
The worst he had to say on that was "Hmmm, the weather here
is not as I expected" I really think is is about as negative as he ever
gets. Are you SURE he said that about Gruber? Even if he thought it, he is
too much of a professional to speak negative over someone else in the trade.

-Mark

[enp]

Post by Mark Rance
Are you SURE he said that about Gruber?

I have no reason to lie, as much as you'd have no reason to believe me to be
telling the truth. All I can say is that those words were spoken, exactly as
I said.

Post by Mark Rance
Even if he thought it, he is too much of a professional to speak negative

over someone else in the trade.

Well, I wasn't the only one with him when it was said and he didn't seem
concerned in the least that he would be perceived as being 'unprofessional'
with those comments.

Post by Mark Rance
-Mark

Mind you - beers were being consumed... It's kinda funny to hear the opinion
of one 'guru' about another 'guru'. I guess irony maybe is dying off after
all.

elliot

[Jim]

I was lucky enough to see an Alan Dawson drum clinic in the early 80's.
Amazing drummer, great person!

Jim

Post by enp

Post by Paul Hobson
I've a Dave Weckl video where he lets Freddie say a few words. The man
makes no sense whatsoever. I watch his part of the video simply to
laugh. That's sad, I know. But seriously, he's either over my head, or
a senile old man.
\\paul
--
Paul M. Hobson
Georgia Institute of Technology
http://www.underthecouch.org
.:you may want to fix my email
address before you send anything:.

So, who are the true 'gurus'? There are many great, great teachers, but
let's look beyond just a great teacher.
Two come to mind for me: Alan Dawson (ex-Berklee, r.i.p.) and Jim Blackley
(Toronto)
I've never met either, however their names generate a level of respect and
almost reverence when speaking to those who studied with them. I know that
many a great Canadian Drummer has spent time with Mr. Blackley, and Alan
Dawson's effect on students is legendary.
Any others?
elliot

[Ken Bour]

I just got finished listening to Dave Holland's new CD "Overtime." I was
impressed with this "killer" drummer named Billy Kilson. I checked him out
and who does he credit as his teacher/mentor -- Alan Dawson!!!

Ken Bour

Post by Jim
I was lucky enough to see an Alan Dawson drum clinic in the early 80's.
Amazing drummer, great person!
Jim

Post by enp

Post by Paul Hobson
I've a Dave Weckl video where he lets Freddie say a few words. The man
makes no sense whatsoever. I watch his part of the video simply to
laugh. That's sad, I know. But seriously, he's either over my head, or
a senile old man.
\\paul
--
Paul M. Hobson
Georgia Institute of Technology
http://www.underthecouch.org
.:you may want to fix my email
address before you send anything:.

So, who are the true 'gurus'? There are many great, great teachers, but
let's look beyond just a great teacher.
Two come to mind for me: Alan Dawson (ex-Berklee, r.i.p.) and Jim Blackley
(Toronto)
I've never met either, however their names generate a level of respect and
almost reverence when speaking to those who studied with them. I know that
many a great Canadian Drummer has spent time with Mr. Blackley, and Alan
Dawson's effect on students is legendary.
Any others?
elliot

[Mike Donovan]

Ken, I was lucky enough to spend some time with Billy Kilson a few
years back. I was cutting an album with a sax player named James Gates.
He went to school with Billy and wanted him to play on the album. Billy
couldn't work it into the schedule but he did fly down to do an opener
here for Lou Rawls. I spent some time with him at rehearsal and he has
this amazing push-pull technique on the ride cymbal. I've never seen
anyone else play it like him.

Mike Donovan

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I can understand Weckl and others praising Freddie because I personally
witnessed Freddie's effect on Weckl. Saw him play before he did Freddie
and his playing was all stiff and nasty. Then he got into Freddie and
later came to town as a Guest artist with our jazz bigband.
He really brought the band to life and there was a HUGE difference in
his playing. If you look up my old posts on this you'll see IMHO that
he still didn't have a clue where Buddy was coming from (it was a Buddy
tribute show) but I have to say I was impressed with his improved
playing. I also saw Chapin teaching Moeller at PAS to kids and given
how some of these kids were playing and holding sticks anything would
have been better. I really don't think it's a fraud. But as for Freddie
being senile...can't say.

Benj