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Tips for swapping from brushes to sticks
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r***@googlemail.com
2009-04-16 13:39:30 UTC
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Anyone got any tips for swapping quickly between brushes and sticks
(and back again)? I'm particularly interested in a jazz scenario
where
the head is played with brushes, but solos are accompanied with
sticks, reverting back to brushes for the head out.

Which hand leads? Where do you put the brushes? And how not to
completely fluff it up with a clatter of sticks as the sax player
launches into a solo ;o)


Thanks,
Rich.
Chris Whealy
2009-04-16 16:00:13 UTC
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Anyone got any tips for swapping quickly between brushes and sticks (and back again)? I'm particularly interested in a jazz scenario
where the head is played with brushes, but solos are accompanied with sticks, reverting back to brushes for the head out.
Which hand leads? Where do you put the brushes? And how not to completely fluff it up with a clatter of sticks as the sax player launches into a solo ;o)
Thanks,
Rich.
Well I don't play too often with brushes, but if I need to swap, I use a
small TV trolley as a make shift table to the left of my hi-hat
(Loading Image... or see page 19 of
the Unicol catalogue http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/e84b86aa).

Like anything else that requires dexterity, its practice, practice,
practice. You'll need to specifically practice swapping
sticks/brushes/mallets in order to do it quickly and quietly.

If in doubt - practice it again...

:-)

Chris W
--
The voice of ignorance speaks loud and long,
But the words of the wise are quiet and few.
---
r***@googlemail.com
2009-04-16 21:06:34 UTC
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Post by Chris Whealy
Anyone got any tips for swapping quickly between brushes and sticks (and back again)? I'm particularly interested in a jazz scenario
where the head is played with brushes, but solos are accompanied with sticks, reverting back to brushes for the head out.
Which hand leads? Where do you put the brushes? And how not to completely fluff it up with a clatter of sticks as the sax player launches into a solo ;o)
Thanks,
Rich.
Well I don't play too often with brushes, but if I need to swap, I use a
small TV trolley as a make shift table to the left of my hi-hat
(http://www.unicol.com/content/images/M_24_PB15lo.JPGor see page 19 of
the Unicol cataloguehttp://viewer.zmags.com/publication/e84b86aa).
Like anything else that requires dexterity, its practice, practice,
practice.  You'll need to specifically practice swapping
sticks/brushes/mallets in order to do it quickly and quietly.
If in doubt - practice it again...
:-)
Chris W
--
The voice of ignorance speaks loud and long,
But the words of the wise are quiet and few.
                                         ---
Thanks Chris - I was thinking about a flat surface and have used my
drum cases in the past - just looks a bit cluttered. Ideally I'm
looking for some kind of shelf that clips onto the floor tom rim...

But as you say, specifically practicing swapping must be the way
forward...

Rich.
Chris Milillo
2009-04-18 05:57:17 UTC
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Wow, a thread about drumming and recording! Great advice from Jody. I've
seen guys tuck the sticks under their arm or under their leg.

I enjoyed your recordings both musically and production-wise. Perhaps on the
crappiest speakers one could find, this mix doesn't hold up, but on my
studio monitors (Tannoy Reveal passive) it sounds great. I wouldn't change a
thing, and I'm very opinonated when it comes to mixes. For one, I would
never guess this was recorded in a garage.

I really dug the sax sound. It's full and breathy, with a nice tone (largely
due to the player), and I don't think it needs any more reverb. It sounds
"intimate" to me and, as a New Yorker, accurately conveys the sound of an
acoustic sax at a "hole in the wall" downtown jazz club.

What was the mic you used on the sax? How was it placed? I've never recorded
brass or woodwinds before, but I plan to in the future. I would be thrilled
if I could get that sax sound in my home studio.

Nice work.

CM
Post by Chris Whealy
Anyone got any tips for swapping quickly between brushes and sticks (and
back again)? I'm particularly interested in a jazz scenario
where the head is played with brushes, but solos are accompanied with
sticks, reverting back to brushes for the head out.
Which hand leads? Where do you put the brushes? And how not to
completely fluff it up with a clatter of sticks as the sax player
launches into a solo ;o)
Thanks,
Rich.
Well I don't play too often with brushes, but if I need to swap, I use a
small TV trolley as a make shift table to the left of my hi-hat
(http://www.unicol.com/content/images/M_24_PB15lo.JPGor see page 19 of
the Unicol cataloguehttp://viewer.zmags.com/publication/e84b86aa).
Like anything else that requires dexterity, its practice, practice,
practice. You'll need to specifically practice swapping
sticks/brushes/mallets in order to do it quickly and quietly.
If in doubt - practice it again...
:-)
Chris W
--
The voice of ignorance speaks loud and long,
But the words of the wise are quiet and few.
---
Thanks Chris - I was thinking about a flat surface and have used my
drum cases in the past - just looks a bit cluttered. Ideally I'm
looking for some kind of shelf that clips onto the floor tom rim...

But as you say, specifically practicing swapping must be the way
forward...

Rich.
r***@googlemail.com
2009-04-18 14:15:50 UTC
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Post by Chris Milillo
Wow, a thread about drumming and recording! Great advice from Jody. I've
seen guys tuck thesticksunder their arm or under their leg.
I enjoyed your recordings both musically and production-wise. Perhaps on the
crappiest speakers one could find, this mix doesn't hold up, but on my
studio monitors (Tannoy Reveal passive) it sounds great. I wouldn't change a
thing, and I'm very opinonated when it comes to mixes. For one, I would
never guess this was recorded in a garage.
I really dug the sax sound. It's full and breathy, with a nice tone (largely
due to the player), and I don't think it needs any more reverb. It sounds
"intimate" to me and, as a New Yorker, accurately conveys the sound of an
acoustic sax at a "hole in the wall" downtown jazz club.
What was the mic you used on the sax? How was it placed? I've never recorded
brass or woodwinds before, but I plan to in the future. I would be thrilled
if I could get that sax sound in my home studio.
Nice work.
CM
Anyone got any tips for swapping quickly betweenbrushesandsticks(and
back again)? I'm particularly interested in a jazz scenario
where the head is played withbrushes, but solos are accompanied with
sticks, reverting back tobrushesfor the head out.
Which hand leads? Where do you put thebrushes? And how not to
completely fluff it up with a clatter ofsticksas the sax player
launches into a solo ;o)
Thanks,
Rich.
Well I don't play too often withbrushes, but if I need toswap, I use a
small TV trolley as a make shift table to the left of my hi-hat
(http://www.unicol.com/content/images/M_24_PB15lo.JPGorsee page 19 of
the Unicol cataloguehttp://viewer.zmags.com/publication/e84b86aa).
Like anything else that requires dexterity, its practice, practice,
practice. You'll need to specifically practice swapping
sticks/brushes/mallets in order to do it quickly and quietly.
If in doubt - practice it again...
:-)
Chris W
--
The voice of ignorance speaks loud and long,
But the words of the wise are quiet and few.
---
Thanks Chris - I was thinking about a flat surface and have used my
drum cases in the past - just looks a bit cluttered. Ideally I'm
looking for some kind of shelf that clips onto the floor tom rim...
But as you say, specifically practicing swapping must be the way
forward...
Rich.
Glad you liked it Chris. We were going for as natural sound as
possible.

The mic was a Rode NT2 in cardioid mode placed about a foot in front
of the bell of the tenor, at the height of the bell, with the
condenser vertical. This way we got most of the sound coming out of
the bell, but missed the direct air flow (which might have been too
breathy), but also allowed some of the sound to come round the sax
from the valve holes.

Actually the sax seems to be the easiest instrument to mic up,
followed by guitar and then double bass. The drums seem to be the
hardest to deal with (but maybe that's because as a drummer I'm used
to hearing the 'behind the set' sound rather than a more natural 'out
front' sound).

Good luck with your next session!
Rich.
-MIKE-
2009-04-18 14:50:23 UTC
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Post by r***@googlemail.com
Actually the sax seems to be the easiest instrument to mic up,
followed by guitar and then double bass. The drums seem to be the
hardest to deal with (but maybe that's because as a drummer I'm used
to hearing the 'behind the set' sound rather than a more natural 'out
front' sound).
Good luck with your next session!
Rich.
Some day I'm going to go through with my plan to record a session with
two condenser lav mics, one clipped near each ear, to get a true
drummer's perspective.

Nice playing, btw.
--
-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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r***@googlemail.com
2009-04-18 20:00:01 UTC
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Post by r***@googlemail.com
Actually the sax seems to be the easiest instrument to mic up,
followed by guitar and then double bass. The drums seem to be the
hardest to deal with (but maybe that's because as a drummer I'm used
to hearing the 'behind the set' sound rather than a more natural 'out
front' sound).
Good luck with your next session!
Rich.
Some day I'm going to go through with my plan to record a session with
two condenser lav mics, one clipped near each ear, to get a true
drummer's perspective.
Nice playing, btw.
--
  -MIKE-
  "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
     --Elvin Jones  (1927-2004)
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 http://mikedrums.com
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I wouldn't do that. You'll get accused of trying out Dummy Head
recording, and you can imagine all the drummer jokes that will
spawn ;o)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dummy_head_recording

Actually I did modify a pair of headphones once, replacing the
speakers with mic inserts and it gives the best stereo I have ever
heard. Because the mics are in-ear you can even pick out sounds that
came from behind the head.

Rich.
-MIKE-
2009-04-18 20:52:53 UTC
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Post by r***@googlemail.com
I wouldn't do that. You'll get accused of trying out Dummy Head
recording, and you can imagine all the drummer jokes that will
spawn ;o)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dummy_head_recording
There was a mic company that did that and came to my work to do a
demonstration.

Fritz? comes to mind. Too lazy to google.
--
-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
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