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Jeff Porcaro w/WHAM!?!
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Nate F
2003-12-03 18:40:27 UTC
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I just listened to Careless Whisper by Wham! and it has so many
signature Porcaroisms in it--his classic 16th note groove with that
silky hi-hat, his distinct pocket, the spacey fills, and the
alternating snare, snare-tom backbeat during the sax solo that it's
gotta be him. No discographies on the internet can confirm it's him,
and allmusic lists some guy named Trever Morell. I've heard he did a
lot of sessions that he wasn't credited with and this song came out in
'84 during his reign in the studio. Do you guys think this could be
one of those uncredited ones?

Nate
George Lawrence
2003-12-03 21:59:41 UTC
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Micheal used almost all Brit studio musicians for his productions.

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Post by Nate F
I just listened to Careless Whisper by Wham! and it has so many
signature Porcaroisms in it--his classic 16th note groove with that
silky hi-hat, his distinct pocket, the spacey fills, and the
alternating snare, snare-tom backbeat during the sax solo that it's
gotta be him. No discographies on the internet can confirm it's him,
and allmusic lists some guy named Trever Morell. I've heard he did a
lot of sessions that he wasn't credited with and this song came out in
'84 during his reign in the studio. Do you guys think this could be
one of those uncredited ones?
Nate
Nate F
2003-12-04 02:00:01 UTC
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:59:41 GMT, "George Lawrence"
Post by George Lawrence
Micheal used almost all Brit studio musicians for his productions.
Could it be Steve Ferrone then? The guys's pocket just sounds like
it's one of those first-call guys, not some guy named Trevor Morrell
whom no one hase ever heard of. If it really is this guy Trevor,
he's a Jeff clone, and a good one at that.

Nate
Gunnar Kristiansen
2003-12-04 17:33:44 UTC
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I agree that it has a lot of that Jeff's spirit to it, especially the
fills... But Jeff...no way!
Jeff is far more steady than this. I am listening to it right now, and
it's way too sloppy to be Jeff in my opinion!

Gunnar Kristiansen
Denmark
Robert Schuh
2003-12-05 17:23:25 UTC
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Post by Nate F
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:59:41 GMT, "George Lawrence"
Post by George Lawrence
Micheal used almost all Brit studio musicians for his productions.
Could it be Steve Ferrone then? The guys's pocket just sounds like
it's one of those first-call guys, not some guy named Trevor Morrell
whom no one hase ever heard of. If it really is this guy Trevor,
he's a Jeff clone, and a good one at that.
Nate
Are you claiming that you have to be famous to be a great player? Put
down your issue of Modern Drummer and wake up.


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Dan Radin
2003-12-05 19:46:00 UTC
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Just now, at the gym, I heard a Lesson 25 fill open a cheesy 80s tune, and I
could swear it was Porcaro's playing. It turned out to be Culture Club. Did
he play on any of their stuff?
Nate F
2003-12-06 16:32:27 UTC
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Ah, my first encounter with Mr. Schuh. I feel I am no longer a virgin
in this newsgroup. Rob, I never thought that a guy like you could
ever care for me.

Nate
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Post by Nate F
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:59:41 GMT, "George Lawrence"
Post by George Lawrence
Micheal used almost all Brit studio musicians for his productions.
Could it be Steve Ferrone then? The guys's pocket just sounds like
it's one of those first-call guys, not some guy named Trevor Morrell
whom no one hase ever heard of. If it really is this guy Trevor,
he's a Jeff clone, and a good one at that.
Nate
Are you claiming that you have to be famous to be a great player? Put
down your issue of Modern Drummer and wake up.
George Lawrence
2003-12-06 20:32:48 UTC
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Oh, you're not so special. Rob calls me on his cell phone to talk about Jeff
Porcaro.

--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800

"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
Post by Nate F
Ah, my first encounter with Mr. Schuh. I feel I am no longer a virgin
in this newsgroup. Rob, I never thought that a guy like you could
ever care for me.
Nate
Post by Robert Schuh
Post by Nate F
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 21:59:41 GMT, "George Lawrence"
Post by George Lawrence
Micheal used almost all Brit studio musicians for his productions.
Could it be Steve Ferrone then? The guys's pocket just sounds like
it's one of those first-call guys, not some guy named Trevor Morrell
whom no one hase ever heard of. If it really is this guy Trevor,
he's a Jeff clone, and a good one at that.
Nate
Are you claiming that you have to be famous to be a great player? Put
down your issue of Modern Drummer and wake up.
s***@gmail.com
2015-10-22 14:29:01 UTC
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Well I'm twelve years late on this post and I only found this because I was trying to get in touch with Trevor Morrell. Ok, I used to go and listen to Trevor back in 1981. Yep! I'm that old. Trevor is a pocket player as a life long fan of Jeff (still remover exactly what I was doing when I heard of his passing) back to Trevor. He played on all of the Wham tracks and some of GM's solo stuff.
Your'l find him on rod stuarts stuff and the B Gees. You can't compare Jeff and Trevor but they have both layed down excellent work.
Jeff did come to London to record with Pink Floyd and Mcartney back in the 80's but not wham. Plus the fact that wham's manager (simon Napier bell) didn't want to pay decent rates to the muso's.
m***@gmail.com
2016-06-18 22:43:18 UTC
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Ian Bell <***@gmail.com>
22:35 (2 hours ago)

to sameersu...
May I enquire, Sam...

Why do you wish to find the, 'Stickmeister Generale?'
A few details would be, appreciated.

;0)

Mr Ding.
Randal Walker
2003-12-04 14:57:50 UTC
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Jeff never did any work with Wham that I am aware of.
Post by Nate F
I just listened to Careless Whisper by Wham! and it has so many
signature Porcaroisms in it--his classic 16th note groove with that
silky hi-hat, his distinct pocket, the spacey fills, and the
alternating snare, snare-tom backbeat during the sax solo that it's
gotta be him. No discographies on the internet can confirm it's him,
and allmusic lists some guy named Trever Morell. I've heard he did a
lot of sessions that he wasn't credited with and this song came out in
'84 during his reign in the studio. Do you guys think this could be
one of those uncredited ones?
Nate
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2018-06-20 23:02:58 UTC
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Post by Nate F
I just listened to Careless Whisper by Wham! and it has so many
signature Porcaroisms in it--his classic 16th note groove with that
silky hi-hat, his distinct pocket, the spacey fills, and the
alternating snare, snare-tom backbeat during the sax solo that it's
gotta be him. No discographies on the internet can confirm it's him,
and allmusic lists some guy named Trever Morell. I've heard he did a
lot of sessions that he wasn't credited with and this song came out in
'84 during his reign in the studio. Do you guys think this could be
one of those uncredited ones?
Nate
It's Trevor Morell!
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2019-04-05 12:42:37 UTC
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Post by Nate F
I just listened to Careless Whisper by Wham! and it has so many
signature Porcaroisms in it--his classic 16th note groove with that
silky hi-hat, his distinct pocket, the spacey fills, and the
alternating snare, snare-tom backbeat during the sax solo that it's
gotta be him. No discographies on the internet can confirm it's him,
and allmusic lists some guy named Trever Morell. I've heard he did a
lot of sessions that he wasn't credited with and this song came out in
'84 during his reign in the studio. Do you guys think this could be
one of those uncredited ones?
Nate
I'm with you. Listenting to it - although it has all the porcaroisms, I can help feeling it does have the clarity of his groove (especially from 4.20 onwards) and sound. Also the fill at 2.15 - I don't think he would have done that fill at that point. Weird to think someone was drumming that close to him all the way back then though.
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