question about swiss triplets

[Andy]

Working on some of the rudiments from the extended list, to my shame I
only recently have begun to get proper speed with stuff like Single
Flammed Mills and Swiss Triplets by bouncing the flammed double strokes
these rudiments start with.

Question: in the Swiss triplet at fast speed, do you eventually play
both hands as double strokes? At the moment I tend to play the hand that
does the grace note for the flam as "two singles", and the other hand as
proper double, if you know what I mean...

Andy

[-MIKE-]

Post by Andy
Question: in the Swiss triplet at fast speed, do you eventually play
both hands as double strokes?

For me, yes.
I find that the strokes for a double stroke roll and the swiss triplet
are identical at faster speeds, just displaced.

The stroke/rebound feel and sound the same in both.
The differences are that the you are starting the sequence with the
rebound stroke of the left hand and the downstroke of the right hand,
together.
At fast speeds you don't really hear the ghost in the flam, because the
strokes are so close together.

George Lawrence says there are only three strokes in drum rudiments:
L R B (Left, Right, and Both).

So one could look at the only difference between a double stroke roll
and a swiss army triplet (at faster speeds) as being the "both" stroke.
(l)rr ll rr ll rr ll rr
br lbr lbrl br

It ends up kind of feeling like "swung" double strokes.

[Andy]

Post by -MIKE-
For me, yes.
I find that the strokes for a double stroke roll and the swiss triplet
are identical at faster speeds, just displaced.
The stroke/rebound feel and sound the same in both.
The differences are that the you are starting the sequence with the
rebound stroke of the left hand and the downstroke of the right hand,
together.
At fast speeds you don't really hear the ghost in the flam, because the
strokes are so close together.
L R B (Left, Right, and Both).
So one could look at the only difference between a double stroke roll
and a swiss army triplet (at faster speeds) as being the "both" stroke.
(l)rr ll rr ll rr ll rr
br lbr lbrl br
It ends up kind of feeling like "swung" double strokes.

Thanks - I'll work on it. I can do it slowly, but it soon wants to pull
apart and turn into a double stroke roll!

I tried the 'Both' concept on a practice pad or on two different
surfaces. It doesn't seem to work on a regular snare drum though due to
the two simultaneous hits killing each other...

Andy

[Pete Pemberton]

Post by -MIKE-

Post by Andy
Question: in the Swiss triplet at fast speed, do you eventually play
both hands as double strokes?

For me, yes.
I find that the strokes for a double stroke roll and the swiss triplet
are identical at faster speeds, just displaced.

This is my experience as well. Many of the rudoments like this, flam
taps, flam accents, etc., are played fast only when you relax and let
the sticks do the work for you. I ebayed a double surface (on the same
side) pad a few years back and listened to what each hand's roll
(pardon the pun) was on some of these rudiments, and worked on the
technique required to do each one individually, then combined it.

Post by -MIKE-
The stroke/rebound feel and sound the same in both.
The differences are that the you are starting the sequence with the
rebound stroke of the left hand and the downstroke of the right hand,
together.
At fast speeds you don't really hear the ghost in the flam, because the
strokes are so close together.
L R B (Left, Right, and Both).
So one could look at the only difference between a double stroke roll
and a swiss army triplet (at faster speeds) as being the "both" stroke.
(l)rr ll rr ll rr ll rr
br lbr lbrl br
It ends up kind of feeling like "swung" double strokes.

Or a skewed version of dontmessitupsontmessitup lol

How about Inverted Cheese Taps, big boy? Yuk.

PP

[FF]

Swiss triplets?

Yes, please!



(Sorry, saw a Mike Meyers movie over the weekend. )