Tom
2011-02-25 02:05:51 UTC
How to Not Influence People and Win Friends.
Off Topic, extremely long, and not pretty.
(It will be easiest to read this in dejanews.com where the links may
work without having to repaste them in your browser)
Libel; 1. a published statement which, without cause, is intended to
have the result of bringing its subject into disrespect. 2. To insult,
make false and malicious statements about.
Slander; Oral libel
This is neither.
This resource dossier was initiated in September/October 2000 and
contributed to by 23 men posting regularly to this newsgroup,
rec.music.makers.percussion, who were either provoked by Rob Schuh or a
witness to it in this, one of his more active periods of provocation.
Many emails were traded during this particular episode and it was
determined that a majority of the regular RMMP posters at that time
wished Rob Schuh's actions to be documented. This is a biased report
because we all are disgusted with Rob Schuh's behavior on RMMP. If
you're looking for proof of the speculation about Rob Schuh's anonymous
postings, this isn't it, though links to his suspected anonymous posts
are notated. In all fairness, those posts may or may not have been
written by or contain quotes of posts written by either Rob Schuh or one
of his "trolls". We are just compiling our findings and we think the
truth will be obvious. Some emails from regulars are quoted anonymously
with permission. Their authenticity as well as that of any other
undocumented evidence will rest on the credibility of the authors of
this document.
We can imagine what Rob Schuh' reaction to this will be; lots of his
patented cliches about websites devoted to him, etc. He will probably
scream for his lawyer and threaten one of his fantasy lawsuits. We are
not interested in his reaction to it. We are interested in getting away
from a pest. We think that this is pretty damning evidence as to his
intentions here, which is to cause trouble and garner attention, like a
child does at the expense of an adult's exasperation. There are many
working professional drummers and many sincere amateur drummers
contributing regularly to RMMP who can see that Rob Schuh's noisy
presence here must be the manifestation of other problems: "After
reading the article about Rob's 'tragic' life, it's clear that all his
problems stem from some really messed up self-image and that his ego has
led to his destruction and he keeps trying to survive via ego. I think
he's harrassing **** and **** and ***** because he's jealous that you
guys are working steady and he's living the "bitter life of the artist."
Our amateur psychiatry will do no good, but it is interesting that
everyone from the 15 year old beginner to the 60 year old veteran has
remarked about the warped, dysfunctional, character disorder behind Rob
Schuh's frothing at the mouth.
This will be an ongoing documentation. We invite anyone to add
documented facts, undocumented theories, links, speculation, testimony
and/or opinion to this report and/or include your name to it as a
supporter of its' objective, which is to ask Rob Schuh to either admit
to and cease the years of tiresome troublemaking documented here or
refrain from posting at RMMP altogether; no half measures. We doubt very
seriously that either will happen, since Rob considers the internet his
audience, so this expose is offered to show that Rob Schuh's lack of
credibility in RMMP is his own doing. Many regulars here have
"killfiled" him, which means blocked his posts from showing up in their
newsreaders and email, because they don't want to read his antagonistic
posts. Of course, it is almost impossible not to read his posts as
quotes incidentally in other people's replies, but we still suggest that
if you don't want to be bothered by his bitterness and baiting, don't
read him and don't reply to him.
The purpose of this file is not to provoke Rob, which would be trolling
on our part, but to warn the unaware of his history while allowing us to
stay out of range of his biteless bark by not responding to any
particular current posts of his. Another purpose is to cut down on the
amount of time that the group has to babysit Rob and explain him to
newcomers by documenting here his posting history, his most repetitive
maneuvers and describing his modus operandi and suspicious activity.
This will stand like a billboard in the town square for Rob to see every
time he considers harassing anyone or telling lies about anyone in RMMP.
Please post a link to it in dejanews.com but do not alter it without
permission of the authors. Please don't post it again in its entirety at
RMMP. Direct any content questions in a post to RMMP with the subject;
Schuh File Authors.
This whole matter of having to put up with Rob Schuh's juvenile,
dishonest and disruptive behavior is inconsequential to the proceedings
of the newsgroup RMMP, which has grown and organized into a tight knit
group of kindred souls, many of who have become face to face friends and
colleagues in the real world, despite Rob Schuh's antics and position
that what happens in RMMP "doesn't matter on the bandstand" and doesn't
have consequences in the real world. Most of us feel that RMMP has
become an important source of information, opinion, interaction, gigs,
and direct contact between professional and amateur musicians, the drum
manufacturing industry and the music business in general. Rob Schuh
protests that other musicians don't care about RMMP, or "drum shit".
RMMP is for talking about drums, not music. Music will be talked about
incidentally but we are primarily concerned with what drummers are
usually concerned about; drums and other drummers. We are concerned that
some of the more well known drummers, drum builders, drum manufacturer's
reps and endorsers in particular are only lurking or have dropped out of
participating or curtailed their activities in RMMP as a result of Rob
Schuh and others bashing them and their products indiscriminately. We
mean to attract those desireables to the fold by pointing to the
incriminating actions of the undesireables. If you will let these people
know that you don't read or put any credence in bullies, then they will
be more inclined to participate. As the group of people who use RMMP
grows, so does our sense of decorum, and our sense of responsibility in
using our freedom of speech.
If you have been the recipient of one of Rob Schuh's posts designed to
make you mad, congratulations! You have been "trolled" by him and he is
enjoying your emotional response and his control over you, much the way
a child taunts a small animal. Rob Schuh likes the attention he gets
from his annoying newsgroup bullying games and mentions, quite
frequently, his band of "trolls" from other newsgroups like
misc.fitness.weights, alt.sports.weightlifting, etc. that put up
websites about his life. To quote him, "Man, I have trolls who set up
entire web pages full of libelous shit about me and set up anon, AOL and
WebTv accounts using my name or some version of it all the time. I even
had one troll e mailing some guy pretending to be me and attempting to
use some of my trade marked words etc. If I was trying to be anon, I
sure as shit would not tell someone to "Butch up Choad!" :-)"
Trade marked words? :-)
Off Topic, extremely long, and not pretty.
(It will be easiest to read this in dejanews.com where the links may
work without having to repaste them in your browser)
Libel; 1. a published statement which, without cause, is intended to
have the result of bringing its subject into disrespect. 2. To insult,
make false and malicious statements about.
Slander; Oral libel
This is neither.
This resource dossier was initiated in September/October 2000 and
contributed to by 23 men posting regularly to this newsgroup,
rec.music.makers.percussion, who were either provoked by Rob Schuh or a
witness to it in this, one of his more active periods of provocation.
Many emails were traded during this particular episode and it was
determined that a majority of the regular RMMP posters at that time
wished Rob Schuh's actions to be documented. This is a biased report
because we all are disgusted with Rob Schuh's behavior on RMMP. If
you're looking for proof of the speculation about Rob Schuh's anonymous
postings, this isn't it, though links to his suspected anonymous posts
are notated. In all fairness, those posts may or may not have been
written by or contain quotes of posts written by either Rob Schuh or one
of his "trolls". We are just compiling our findings and we think the
truth will be obvious. Some emails from regulars are quoted anonymously
with permission. Their authenticity as well as that of any other
undocumented evidence will rest on the credibility of the authors of
this document.
We can imagine what Rob Schuh' reaction to this will be; lots of his
patented cliches about websites devoted to him, etc. He will probably
scream for his lawyer and threaten one of his fantasy lawsuits. We are
not interested in his reaction to it. We are interested in getting away
from a pest. We think that this is pretty damning evidence as to his
intentions here, which is to cause trouble and garner attention, like a
child does at the expense of an adult's exasperation. There are many
working professional drummers and many sincere amateur drummers
contributing regularly to RMMP who can see that Rob Schuh's noisy
presence here must be the manifestation of other problems: "After
reading the article about Rob's 'tragic' life, it's clear that all his
problems stem from some really messed up self-image and that his ego has
led to his destruction and he keeps trying to survive via ego. I think
he's harrassing **** and **** and ***** because he's jealous that you
guys are working steady and he's living the "bitter life of the artist."
Our amateur psychiatry will do no good, but it is interesting that
everyone from the 15 year old beginner to the 60 year old veteran has
remarked about the warped, dysfunctional, character disorder behind Rob
Schuh's frothing at the mouth.
This will be an ongoing documentation. We invite anyone to add
documented facts, undocumented theories, links, speculation, testimony
and/or opinion to this report and/or include your name to it as a
supporter of its' objective, which is to ask Rob Schuh to either admit
to and cease the years of tiresome troublemaking documented here or
refrain from posting at RMMP altogether; no half measures. We doubt very
seriously that either will happen, since Rob considers the internet his
audience, so this expose is offered to show that Rob Schuh's lack of
credibility in RMMP is his own doing. Many regulars here have
"killfiled" him, which means blocked his posts from showing up in their
newsreaders and email, because they don't want to read his antagonistic
posts. Of course, it is almost impossible not to read his posts as
quotes incidentally in other people's replies, but we still suggest that
if you don't want to be bothered by his bitterness and baiting, don't
read him and don't reply to him.
The purpose of this file is not to provoke Rob, which would be trolling
on our part, but to warn the unaware of his history while allowing us to
stay out of range of his biteless bark by not responding to any
particular current posts of his. Another purpose is to cut down on the
amount of time that the group has to babysit Rob and explain him to
newcomers by documenting here his posting history, his most repetitive
maneuvers and describing his modus operandi and suspicious activity.
This will stand like a billboard in the town square for Rob to see every
time he considers harassing anyone or telling lies about anyone in RMMP.
Please post a link to it in dejanews.com but do not alter it without
permission of the authors. Please don't post it again in its entirety at
RMMP. Direct any content questions in a post to RMMP with the subject;
Schuh File Authors.
This whole matter of having to put up with Rob Schuh's juvenile,
dishonest and disruptive behavior is inconsequential to the proceedings
of the newsgroup RMMP, which has grown and organized into a tight knit
group of kindred souls, many of who have become face to face friends and
colleagues in the real world, despite Rob Schuh's antics and position
that what happens in RMMP "doesn't matter on the bandstand" and doesn't
have consequences in the real world. Most of us feel that RMMP has
become an important source of information, opinion, interaction, gigs,
and direct contact between professional and amateur musicians, the drum
manufacturing industry and the music business in general. Rob Schuh
protests that other musicians don't care about RMMP, or "drum shit".
RMMP is for talking about drums, not music. Music will be talked about
incidentally but we are primarily concerned with what drummers are
usually concerned about; drums and other drummers. We are concerned that
some of the more well known drummers, drum builders, drum manufacturer's
reps and endorsers in particular are only lurking or have dropped out of
participating or curtailed their activities in RMMP as a result of Rob
Schuh and others bashing them and their products indiscriminately. We
mean to attract those desireables to the fold by pointing to the
incriminating actions of the undesireables. If you will let these people
know that you don't read or put any credence in bullies, then they will
be more inclined to participate. As the group of people who use RMMP
grows, so does our sense of decorum, and our sense of responsibility in
using our freedom of speech.
If you have been the recipient of one of Rob Schuh's posts designed to
make you mad, congratulations! You have been "trolled" by him and he is
enjoying your emotional response and his control over you, much the way
a child taunts a small animal. Rob Schuh likes the attention he gets
from his annoying newsgroup bullying games and mentions, quite
frequently, his band of "trolls" from other newsgroups like
misc.fitness.weights, alt.sports.weightlifting, etc. that put up
websites about his life. To quote him, "Man, I have trolls who set up
entire web pages full of libelous shit about me and set up anon, AOL and
WebTv accounts using my name or some version of it all the time. I even
had one troll e mailing some guy pretending to be me and attempting to
use some of my trade marked words etc. If I was trying to be anon, I
sure as shit would not tell someone to "Butch up Choad!" :-)"
Trade marked words? :-)