Bass drum creep

[Steve Turner]

I suppose over the years there have been a myriad of products designed to
alleviate bass drum creep (none of which I've ever used), but I'm wondering if
there are any that you guys have tried and liked (and maybe even continue to
use)? I'm not talking about feet or attachments to the bass drum that dig into
the floor; the ones I'm thinking of would involve some kind of interconnect
between the throne and pedal (or hoop). Thoughts? Links?

[JWald]

When I was a kid in the 60's my kit suffered *creep* all the time. Being
completely stupid, as opposed to now just being stupid, I never knew to use
any kind of rug. All the floors were tile, wood, or something else slick.
The spurs were on a much flatter plane then they are today, and I wasn't hip
to lifting the kick. I thought those spurs were there solely to keep the
kick from rolling away. In answer to your original question, I used 2 pieces
of cotton rope, tied to the leading leg of my 3 legged throne, with slip
knots looped around a couple of T rods. It worked great, but I had to be
aware of the tripping issue. Today I use a rug that is large enough that my
throne is on it too. Finger thickness off the floor at the front of the kick
and all is good; but of course, you know all that.
--
J Wald

"You can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think.... "

Post by Steve Turner
I suppose over the years there have been a myriad of products designed to
alleviate bass drum creep (none of which I've ever used), but I'm wondering
if there are any that you guys have tried and liked (and maybe even
continue to use)? I'm not talking about feet or attachments to the bass
drum that dig into the floor; the ones I'm thinking of would involve some
kind of interconnect between the throne and pedal (or hoop). Thoughts?
Links?
--
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sparse, will expand to fill all available lanes.
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[Steve Turner]

Post by JWald
When I was a kid in the 60's my kit suffered *creep* all the time. Being
completely stupid, as opposed to now just being stupid, I never knew to use
any kind of rug. All the floors were tile, wood, or something else slick.
The spurs were on a much flatter plane then they are today, and I wasn't hip
to lifting the kick. I thought those spurs were there solely to keep the
kick from rolling away. In answer to your original question, I used 2 pieces
of cotton rope, tied to the leading leg of my 3 legged throne, with slip
knots looped around a couple of T rods. It worked great, but I had to be
aware of the tripping issue. Today I use a rug that is large enough that my
throne is on it too. Finger thickness off the floor at the front of the kick
and all is good; but of course, you know all that.

Yes, I use a rug that's big enough for pretty much the whole kit to fit on
(that comes in handy when you're already set up and some jackass wants you to
move six inches to the left; just get a couple of guys on the other end of the
rug and pull). I don't know that it's quite "finger" thickness, but for the
most part it gets the job done. However, there are times when a wee too much
exuberance will get the kick drum moving away from home base, and I figure an
extra apparatus to lock it in wouldn't hurt. Thinking of perhaps constructing
my own, but if there's already a product that works amazingly well it might be
good to know about it. I figure it ought to be something a bit more hi-tech
than ropes (BTDT), but I also don't want something that will be impossible to
carry around in my gig case.

[-MIKE-]

Buddy Rich would put a nail though the front hoop, and down into the
stage floor.

[JWald]

Well, actually I was speaking of the kick being raised finger thickness
high, not the thickness of the rug. Do you *know* where your kick lives on
the rug? Is it always the same, or in the same few positions? How about
putting grommets in the rug at the spurs positions? The drum can't move no
matter how excited you get. Rolling or packing the rug is not in anyway
affected. If that doesn't do it for you, you could also build your own gig
rug http://www.luglock.com/gig_rug.htm
When I first saw this, I thought that an improvement would be to heighten
the block so that the front of the kick could still be raised, but held in
place. My idea was to bolt from the bottom and through the rug, then nut it
on top. Paint it similar to the rug color, and then roll or fold the rug
with block position in mind. That's all I've got. ; )
--
J Wald

"You can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think.... "

Post by Steve Turner

Post by JWald
When I was a kid in the 60's my kit suffered *creep* all the time. Being
completely stupid, as opposed to now just being stupid, I never knew to use
any kind of rug. All the floors were tile, wood, or something else slick.
The spurs were on a much flatter plane then they are today, and I wasn't hip
to lifting the kick. I thought those spurs were there solely to keep the
kick from rolling away. In answer to your original question, I used 2 pieces
of cotton rope, tied to the leading leg of my 3 legged throne, with slip
knots looped around a couple of T rods. It worked great, but I had to be
aware of the tripping issue. Today I use a rug that is large enough that my
throne is on it too. Finger thickness off the floor at the front of the kick
and all is good; but of course, you know all that.

Yes, I use a rug that's big enough for pretty much the whole kit to fit on
(that comes in handy when you're already set up and some jackass wants you
to move six inches to the left; just get a couple of guys on the other end
of the rug and pull). I don't know that it's quite "finger" thickness,
but for the most part it gets the job done. However, there are times when
a wee too much exuberance will get the kick drum moving away from home
base, and I figure an extra apparatus to lock it in wouldn't hurt.
Thinking of perhaps constructing my own, but if there's already a product
that works amazingly well it might be good to know about it. I figure it
ought to be something a bit more hi-tech than ropes (BTDT), but I also
don't want something that will be impossible to carry around in my gig
case.
--
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(From a Shiner Bock billboard I saw in Austin some years ago)
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[Perry Justus]

Post by JWald
When I was a kid in the 60's my kit suffered *creep* all the time. Being
completely stupid, as opposed to now just being stupid, I never knew to use
any kind of rug. All the floors were tile, wood, or something else slick.
The spurs were on a much flatter plane then they are today, and I wasn't hip
to lifting the kick. I thought those spurs were there solely to keep the
kick from rolling away. In answer to your original question, I used 2 pieces
of cotton rope, tied to the leading leg of my 3 legged throne, with slip
knots looped around a couple of T rods. It worked great, but I had to be
aware of the tripping issue. Today I use a rug that is large enough that my
throne is on it too. Finger thickness off the floor at the front of the kick
and all is good; but of course, you know all that.

I just put a shoe-string around my pedal and tie it to the throne.
Works amazingly well.

Perry

[bluetrain]

Post by Steve Turner
I suppose over the years there have been a myriad of products designed to
alleviate bass drum creep (none of which I've ever used), but I'm wondering
if there are any that you guys have tried and liked (and maybe even
continue to

I haven't had any more creeping of the kick since I bought 20 years ago my
first bass drum with spikes on the spurs. simply you place your set over a
fitted carpet like moquette, then set the spikes off the bass spurs and use
a bass drum pedal with a nice rubbered plate and a copule of adjustable
spikes, I mean something like this
http://www.music123.com/Pearl-P-2000B-Belt-Drive-PowerShifter-Eliminator-Bass-Pedal-448279-i1140451.Music123

all these tricks together will effectivelly prevent any slipping of the bass
drum, especially if u're using bass drum mounted tom tom

[n***@zoomnet.net]

Post by Steve Turner
I suppose over the years there have been a myriad of products designed to
alleviate bass drum creep (none of which I've ever used), but I'm wondering if
there are any that you guys have tried and liked (and maybe even continue to
use

I have seen guys use all of the devices described above and more!
This does not seem to be a problem for me any more with modern
equipment..
....but in the old days I used to carry a roll of duct or gaffers tape
in the trap case.

A single piece about 7 or 8 inches long in a reverse V shape on the
floor at each
spur did the trick. No dirty rug. No slings or ropes.

MN

[Pete Pemberton]

On 2010-03-06 10:20:12 -0500, Steve Turner

Post by Steve Turner
I suppose over the years there have been a myriad of products designed
to alleviate bass drum creep (none of which I've ever used), but I'm
wondering if there are any that you guys have tried and liked (and
maybe even continue to use)? I'm not talking about feet or attachments
to the bass drum that dig into the floor; the ones I'm thinking of
would involve some kind of interconn
ect between the throne and pedal (or hoop). Thoughts? Links?

Crash Pad

Best thing going - I had to install some self tapping pan head drywall
screws (or wood screws would work) when the wedge started to rip
through the carpet. Since I did that, it has been great. I have had
this thing almost 10 years. Weighted corners keep the edges from
blowing up in the wind.

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Kaces-KCP-5-Crash-Pad-Drum-Rug-100556570-i1152655.gc

[Frisco]

Post by Pete Pemberton
On 2010-03-06 10:20:12 -0500, Steve Turner

Post by Steve Turner
I suppose over the years there have been a myriad of products designed
to alleviate bass drum creep (none of which I've ever used), but I'm
wondering if there are any that you guys have tried and liked (and
maybe even continue to use)?  I'm not talking about feet or attachments
to the bass drum that dig into the floor; the ones I'm thinking of
would involve some kind of interconn
ect between the throne and pedal (or hoop).  Thoughts?  Links?

I haven't had any problems since I started using a rug and my DW 5000
pedal has velcro on the bottom and keeps the thing stuck right in
place thru anything (kick or no kick even!).

This may be a stoopid question - but don't all DW5000's have velcro
from the factory? I just assumed they did, but mine was used so may
be an add-on from a previous owner. Great idea tho, easy to add to
any kick pedal. The kick spurs help even more.

Paul

[-MIKE-]

Post by Frisco
This may be a stoopid question - but don't all DW5000's have velcro
from the factory? I just assumed they did, but mine was used so may
be an add-on from a previous owner. Great idea tho, easy to add to
any kick pedal. The kick spurs help even more.
Paul

IMO, they put about 80 percent too much velcro on those things.
Every time I play one of those and try to move the bass drum a fuzz, you
have the lift the entire thing off the ground, just to nudge it.

[Pete Pemberton]

Post by -MIKE-

Post by Frisco
This may be a stoopid question - but don't all DW5000's have velcro
from the factory? I just assumed they did, but mine was used so may
be an add-on from a previous owner. Great idea tho, easy to add to
any kick pedal. The kick spurs help even more.
Paul

IMO, they put about 80 percent too much velcro on those things.
Every time I play one of those and try to move the bass drum a fuzz,
you have the lift the entire thing off the ground, just to nudge it.

Yeah, kinda a pain, I agree. Axis has much less, but it seems, I dunno,
spikier, stickier? Same result.

PP

[-MIKE-]

Post by Pete Pemberton

Post by -MIKE-

Post by Frisco
This may be a stoopid question - but don't all DW5000's have velcro
from the factory? I just assumed they did, but mine was used so may
be an add-on from a previous owner. Great idea tho, easy to add to
any kick pedal. The kick spurs help even more.
Paul

IMO, they put about 80 percent too much velcro on those things.
Every time I play one of those and try to move the bass drum a fuzz,
you have the lift the entire thing off the ground, just to nudge it.

Yeah, kinda a pain, I agree. Axis has much less, but it seems, I dunno,
spikier, stickier? Same result.
PP

I have a DW6k, flat-based, stick-skinny, hi-hat stand on my practice
kit. It has spikes on the feet *and* all that velcro. It is a major
PITA to move.... come to think of it, this thread motivated me to take
the freakin stuff off that pedal.... most of it, anyway.

Dude, I also just remembered those DW parts you were waiting for... did
you ever get those. email me.

[Pete Pemberton]

Post by Frisco

Post by Pete Pemberton
On 2010-03-06 10:20:12 -0500, Steve Turner

Post by Steve Turner
I suppose over the years there have been a myriad of products designed
to alleviate bass drum creep (none of which I've ever used), but I'm
wondering if there are any that you guys have tried and liked (and
maybe even continue to use)?  I'm not talking about feet or attachmen

ts

Post by Pete Pemberton

Post by Steve Turner
to the bass drum that dig into the floor; the ones I'm thinking of
would involve some kind of interconn
ect between the throne and pedal (or hoop).  Thoughts?  Links?

I haven't had any problems since I started using a rug and my DW 5000
pedal has velcro on the bottom and keeps the thing stuck right in
place thru anything (kick or no kick even!).
This may be a stoopid question - but don't all DW5000's have velcro
from the factory? I just assumed they did, but mine was used so may
be an add-on from a previous owner. Great idea tho, easy to add to
any kick pedal. The kick spurs help even more.
Paul

The early ones did not. Using the Crash Pad, I don't clamp the pedal
down. No need to with the velcro on the DW or the Axis stuff.

pp