18x18 kick at RMMP.net and show alert

[George Lawrence]

"I am
going to put the 18x18 to the right and hit it with the left foot pedal
from my Eliminator double."

Just like Dave Weckl.

--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800

"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb

Check out this little cannon. I have to get a muffled head for the
batter side, but I have a feeling this thing is going to be a pounder. I
am going to use it with my 16 to have 2 different kick sounds. I am
going to put the 18x18 to the right and hit it with the left foot pedal
from my Eliminator double. I am using this set up this coming Thursday,
the 31st, at the Sacred Grounds Coffee Shop. It is about 1/8 mile south
of Camelback on Granite Reef in Scottsdale. Hope to see some RMMPers
there.
--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche
"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[Dan Radin]

Check out this little cannon. I have to get a muffled head for the
batter side, but I have a feeling this thing is going to be a pounder. I
am going to use it with my 16 to have 2 different kick sounds. I am
going to put the 18x18 to the right and hit it with the left foot pedal
from my Eliminator double.

Pretty cool, Rob. Why don't you take a 20 and my 22 too so you can play all
your Alex Van Halen 4 bass drum licks? ;-)

[Robert Schuh]

Post by Dan Radin

Check out this little cannon. I have to get a muffled head for the
batter side, but I have a feeling this thing is going to be a pounder. I
am going to use it with my 16 to have 2 different kick sounds. I am
going to put the 18x18 to the right and hit it with the left foot pedal
from my Eliminator double.

Pretty cool, Rob. Why don't you take a 20 and my 22 too so you can play all
your Alex Van Halen 4 bass drum licks? ;-)

Yeah,
I have ALL of that down!!


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[ramalane]

"Kurgan666" <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:***@posting.google.com...
: "George Lawrence" <***@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:<c1vVa.27839$***@newssrv26.news.prodigy.com>...
: > "I am
: > going to put the 18x18 to the right and hit it with the left foot pedal
: > from my Eliminator double."
: >
: > Just like Dave Weckl.
:
:
: LOL! Sounds like Shcu will be playing a lot of "drum shit" to me.
: What a fucking hypocrit. He snagged a real jewel with the coffee shop
: gig, however.

He needs to tour Europe. Lots of coffee houses there.

/ramalane

--
Church of the Swimming Elephant
http://www.cotse.com
Have you been to church today?

[Michael Fell]

On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 15:12:31 -0400, "ramalane"

Post by ramalane
: > "I am
: > going to put the 18x18 to the right and hit it with the left foot pedal
: > from my Eliminator double."
: >
: > Just like Dave Weckl.
: LOL! Sounds like Shcu will be playing a lot of "drum shit" to me.
: What a fucking hypocrit. He snagged a real jewel with the coffee shop
: gig, however.
He needs to tour Europe. Lots of coffee houses there.
/ramalane

I don't think they would take him. Unfortunatly we are stuck with him
here and he sponges off the system.

Mike

[Joey Furr]

message

Post by ramalane
: LOL! Sounds like Shcu will be playing a lot of "drum shit" to me.

Little boy. Why don't you get a fucking life? I NEVER play drum shit. You

need

to stop worrying about me and look in the mirror and find out why you are

such

a little pussy and a hack musician.

Post by ramalane
: What a fucking hypocrit. He snagged a real jewel with the coffee shop
: gig, however.

I can also tell you this bitch, this group is one of the best piano trios

you

will ever hear. I also will make more at this gig than most people make in

3.

LOL! The entire situtation says 'no coin'.
1. Arizona.
2. 'Free jazz'
3. Coffee shop.
--
...Joey
"...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper

Seeing that you know nothing about music, jazz or anything but Matchbox 20
Blink 182, why not just make the world a better place and take a nap in

the

garage with the car running? How long to you expect to be living with

Mommy and

Daddy? THE only time you comment in RMMP is to be a troll. You and the
Drumigdet need to get together and find out why your meds aren't working.
--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche
"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[Robert Schuh]

Post by ramalane
message

Post by ramalane
: LOL! Sounds like Shcu will be playing a lot of "drum shit" to me.

Little boy. Why don't you get a fucking life? I NEVER play drum shit. You

need

to stop worrying about me and look in the mirror and find out why you are

such

a little pussy and a hack musician.

Post by ramalane
: What a fucking hypocrit. He snagged a real jewel with the coffee shop
: gig, however.

I can also tell you this bitch, this group is one of the best piano trios

you

will ever hear. I also will make more at this gig than most people make in

3.
LOL! The entire situtation says 'no coin'.
1. Arizona.
2. 'Free jazz'
3. Coffee shop.
--
...Joey

Joey,
I am curious as to why you don't think before your commentary? #1, there are
only 5 cities more populated than Phoenix in the US, so your comment there is
ill informed. #2, who said ANYTHING about playing "Free Jazz?" Let's face it,
there are maybe 3 people in RMMP who know enough about Jazz to even comment. The
only person who has called what this band plays "free jazz," is Lardo. That is
commentary #2. #3, why would you think you know ANYTHING about what i get paid
for my gigs? So what has now transpired is that you have made 3 ignorant
comments that are also lies. Why don't you at the very least try to use some
facts when you talk shit? BTW, this also goes to your hypocrisy about being a
"Christian." Would Jesus have gone out of his way to make up lies about
something that had nothing to do with him? BTW, what state do you live in? Don't
you live in some backwards ass country bumpkin state? What an idiot.



--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[Joey Furr]

Rob,
Let me clarify:

#1 Phoenix is not known for a hopping music scene.
#2 Jazz of any kind typically does not pay well.
#3 Coffee shops absolutely do not pay well...they don't do enough business
to pay well.

#4 Pretty much every pro in here knows this. If you don't, what does that
make you?
#5 How about you post your tax form from last year's performance proceeds
and I post mine?
#6 Mensa didn't seem to think I was too much of an idiot.
#7 Have a good day.
--
...Joey
"...so hold the mustard on those flames, y'all." - Aaron Draper

Post by Robert Schuh

Post by ramalane
message

Post by ramalane
: LOL! Sounds like Shcu will be playing a lot of "drum shit" to me.

Little boy. Why don't you get a fucking life? I NEVER play drum shit. You

need

to stop worrying about me and look in the mirror and find out why you are

such

a little pussy and a hack musician.

Post by ramalane
: What a fucking hypocrit. He snagged a real jewel with the coffee shop
: gig, however.

I can also tell you this bitch, this group is one of the best piano trios

you

will ever hear. I also will make more at this gig than most people make in

3.
LOL! The entire situtation says 'no coin'.
1. Arizona.
2. 'Free jazz'
3. Coffee shop.
--
...Joey

Joey,
I am curious as to why you don't think before your commentary? #1, there are
only 5 cities more populated than Phoenix in the US, so your comment there is
ill informed. #2, who said ANYTHING about playing "Free Jazz?" Let's face it,
there are maybe 3 people in RMMP who know enough about Jazz to even comment. The
only person who has called what this band plays "free jazz," is Lardo. That is
commentary #2. #3, why would you think you know ANYTHING about what i get paid
for my gigs? So what has now transpired is that you have made 3 ignorant
comments that are also lies. Why don't you at the very least try to use some
facts when you talk shit? BTW, this also goes to your hypocrisy about being a
"Christian." Would Jesus have gone out of his way to make up lies about
something that had nothing to do with him? BTW, what state do you live in? Don't
you live in some backwards ass country bumpkin state? What an idiot.
--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche
"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[nick amoroso]

Post by Joey Furr
#3 Coffee shops absolutely do not pay well...they don't do enough business
to pay well.

starbucks excluded. soulbelly used to make a lot of money when we played
there.

peace,
:nick amoroso:
professional drums and instruction
proud endorser of silver fox drumsticks
-----
"punching stuff rules" ~ dan radin
"click click bloody click pancakes!" ~ stewie

[Robert Schuh]

Joey the troll wrote:

Rob,
Let me clarify:

#1 Phoenix is not known for a hopping music scene.

Joey,
You know nothing about Phoenix, so why comment?

#2 Jazz of any kind typically does not pay well.

Where do you get this kind of crap? I realize that I am not Jack DeJohnette,
but the guys in the Keith Jarrett trio make $10,000.00 each/show. Keith may
actually make more. There are MANY Jazz musicians and bands that do very well.
Needless to say, it is not much compared to the top rock acts, but to say that
Jazz does not pay well in general is ill founded.

#3 Coffee shops absolutely do not pay well...they don't do enough business
to pay well.

You know nothing about this place or who is actually paying us. Our group makes
a minimum amount no matter what gig we do. We have a benefactor. What the
coffee house pays us is irrelevant. You really should try to find out more
about things that you are going to comment on. Let's say we do a show somewhere
and the house only pays the band $200.00. We still get out minimum amount. You
can try to shoot me down all you like, but I have never been more excited about
an upcoming year before. This is going to be the first year in my 33 years of
music that I am going to make more $ than ever before and NEVER play even a
single casual etc. I will make $ this year only playing nothing but challenging
and very on the edge stuff. To me, that is VERY exciting. We are going to
record our second DVD in the next 6 weeks and another around April of 2004. I
can also state that these will be FAR better than our first one. This trio has
been together on and off since 1983. Bob Ravenscroft, the leader, had been
living between San Diego and Colorado for the last 10 years. He has moved back
to AZ full time. We had not played together in 8 months on the last DVD. We are
now playing a min of 2x/week with one being more of a rehearsal. We also
changed the bass player. I can also tell you that while what we are playing is
FAR different than say, the Oscar Peterson trio, we are not playing "Free"
Jazz. There is structure to 90% of what we play. We may play a standard, but
conversely, if someone has an idea and it leads to something else, no one is
afraid to go with it. The listening that goes on in this group is actually
scary sometimes. Mark Moritz heard one of our gigs and asked me about how we
did some of the wild volume changes. We may go from FFF to ppp within a short
period of time. He thought we has worked this out. None of it was worked out.
We all just can hear, or even tell ahead of time what each other is going to
do. I can tell you from a playing perspective, it is very exciting. I also may
use 6 or more different things to play my drums and cymbals during just one
tune. Playing with other musicians who have great time and ears allows me to
throw the traditional role of the drummer right out the door. We may play a
tune that is normally a straight ahead Jazz thing, and I may never play spang,
spang alang once during the whole tune. Conversely, a tune that we played kind
of freely the time before, I could play more like Philly Joe the next time. I
really believe what we are doing is about as fresh as it gets. All of us know
the tradition of the music from Dixieland through the most free stuff. We can
play a standard, but still play freely within the tune. That is much more
exciting that just going out there and playing completely free.

#4 Pretty much every pro in here knows this. If you don't, what does that
make you?

Where do you get this? NO pro here knows anything about this group. You don't
know about this group, so your comments are off base again.

#5 How about you post your tax form from last year's performance proceeds
and I post mine?

What the fuck does this have to do with anything?

#6 Mensa didn't seem to think I was too much of an idiot.

Whenever someone brings up the Mensa thing, you have already lost the argument.
Your comments were idiotic. If you really want to get into a "my dick is bigger
than yours" thing here, I'll be happy to step up. What do you want, SAT scores,
colleges where we were admitted etc.? I was accepted into Stanford and went to
one of the finest Prep Schools in the country. You really should be embarrassed
to flop out the Mensa thing. Steven Hawking can still make ill informed
statements, so that argument does not hold water.


#7 Have a good day.
--

You too sweet cheeks! :-)

--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[BlueM0ZARK]

< #5 How about you post your tax form from last year's performance proceeds
and I post mine?
What the fuck does this have to do with anything?>

It has everything to do with this. You're always blowing about how much $ you
make. It's real simple schuh, prove it or shut the hell up.

[Sam Savoca]

Post by BlueM0ZARK
< #5 How about you post your tax form from last year's performance proceeds
and I post mine?
What the fuck does this have to do with anything?>
It has everything to do with this. You're always blowing about how much $ you
make. It's real simple schuh, prove it or shut the hell up.

As far as tax forms go, musicians don't make squat and if they do they
report every blessed penny. For whoever may be reading this, it's the God's
honest truth.

Sam S.

[b***@users.iwaynet.net]

Post by Sam Savoca
As far as tax forms go, musicians don't make squat and if they do they
report every blessed penny. For whoever may be reading this, it's the God's
honest truth.

Um...er...except for Willie Nelson, of course...Um...you
probabably meant to say DRUMMERS rather than "musicians"
...Yeah....That's it....

Benj

[ramalane]

"Robert Schuh" <***@robschuh.com> wrote in message news:***@robschuh.com...

<snip>

Would you accept a li'l constructive criticism? I haven't seen too many
people attacking your knowledge of drums (and I would guess that those that
do are either privy to things I don't know about or just plain wrong).
However, you need to work on your people skills, dOOd! Don't lash out at
folks so much. Be cordial to your fellow drummers. I think that if you
refrain from attacks you wouldn't feel the need to be so defensive. Nobody
likes the constant unpleasantness I assure you. And I'm equally sure that
some of the things you've said about people on Usenet you'd never say to
their faces, not that you're scared, but because you'd never be that rude in
real life

Then again you can tell me to go fuck myself...it's no hair off my ass.

/ramalane

P.S. I'll leave bursting your MENSA bubble to a more appropriate time.
--
Church of the Swimming Elephant
http://www.cotse.com
Have you been to church today?

[Dan Radin]

Post by Joey Furr
#3 Coffee shops absolutely do not pay well...they don't do enough business
to pay well.
You know nothing about this place or who is actually paying us. Our group makes
a minimum amount no matter what gig we do. We have a benefactor. What the
coffee house pays us is irrelevant. You really should try to find out more
about things that you are going to comment on. Let's say we do a show somewhere
and the house only pays the band $200.00. We still get out minimum amount. You
can try to shoot me down all you like, but I have never been more excited about
an upcoming year before. This is going to be the first year in my 33 years of
music that I am going to make more $ than ever before and NEVER play even a
single casual etc. I will make $ this year only playing nothing but challenging
and very on the edge stuff. To me, that is VERY exciting. We are going to
record our second DVD in the next 6 weeks and another around April of 2004. I
can also state that these will be FAR better than our first one. This trio has
been together on and off since 1983. Bob Ravenscroft, the leader, had been
living between San Diego and Colorado for the last 10 years. He has moved back
to AZ full time. We had not played together in 8 months on the last DVD. We are
now playing a min of 2x/week with one being more of a rehearsal. We also
changed the bass player. I can also tell you that while what we are playing is
FAR different than say, the Oscar Peterson trio, we are not playing "Free"
Jazz. There is structure to 90% of what we play. We may play a standard, but
conversely, if someone has an idea and it leads to something else, no one is
afraid to go with it. The listening that goes on in this group is actually
scary sometimes. Mark Moritz heard one of our gigs and asked me about how we
did some of the wild volume changes. We may go from FFF to ppp within a short
period of time. He thought we has worked this out. None of it was worked out.
We all just can hear, or even tell ahead of time what each other is going to
do. I can tell you from a playing perspective, it is very exciting. I also may
use 6 or more different things to play my drums and cymbals during just one
tune. Playing with other musicians who have great time and ears allows me to
throw the traditional role of the drummer right out the door. We may play a
tune that is normally a straight ahead Jazz thing, and I may never play spang,
spang alang once during the whole tune. Conversely, a tune that we played kind
of freely the time before, I could play more like Philly Joe the next time. I
really believe what we are doing is about as fresh as it gets. All of us know
the tradition of the music from Dixieland through the most free stuff. We can
play a standard, but still play freely within the tune. That is much more
exciting that just going out there and playing completely free.

Sorry if posting this makes me a "rob-supporter" (like I could care less),
but this response was outstanding.

Rob,
I wish you ignored more of the bullshit and talked more about music here,
because I know that you know your shit, and I keep waiting for you to show
me. It's tough to keep an open mind about you when so many of your posts are
negative/troll in nature. I know it's not completely your fault; the
BlueFellGuruRay bunch instigates as much as they respond to, but if I could
ask one thing of you, it's to just ignore it and talk music. You seem to
have all this knowledge of the tradition and practice of playing music; why
not share it with the group? Why do you think Pat gets such reverential
treatment around here? Because he tells us about what it's really like to be
living it.
-DR

[George Lawrence]

Dan, you may not perceive it as such, but my posts concerning Rob Schuh are
not provocative but 100% responsive in nature. Any time you see what you
think is a dig, I have a post or email on file from Rob that prompted a
response.

--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800

"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb

Post by Robert Schuh

Post by Joey Furr
#3 Coffee shops absolutely do not pay well...they don't do enough business
to pay well.
You know nothing about this place or who is actually paying us. Our

group

Post by Robert Schuh
makes

Post by Joey Furr
a minimum amount no matter what gig we do. We have a benefactor. What the
coffee house pays us is irrelevant. You really should try to find out more
about things that you are going to comment on. Let's say we do a show

somewhere

Post by Joey Furr
and the house only pays the band $200.00. We still get out minimum

amount.

Post by Robert Schuh
You

Post by Joey Furr
can try to shoot me down all you like, but I have never been more

excited

Post by Robert Schuh
about

Post by Joey Furr
an upcoming year before. This is going to be the first year in my 33

years

Post by Robert Schuh
of

Post by Joey Furr
music that I am going to make more $ than ever before and NEVER play

even

Post by Robert Schuh
a

Post by Joey Furr
single casual etc. I will make $ this year only playing nothing but

challenging

Post by Joey Furr
and very on the edge stuff. To me, that is VERY exciting. We are going to
record our second DVD in the next 6 weeks and another around April of

2004. I

Post by Joey Furr
can also state that these will be FAR better than our first one. This

trio

Post by Robert Schuh
has

Post by Joey Furr
been together on and off since 1983. Bob Ravenscroft, the leader, had been
living between San Diego and Colorado for the last 10 years. He has

moved

Post by Robert Schuh
back

Post by Joey Furr
to AZ full time. We had not played together in 8 months on the last DVD.

We are

Post by Joey Furr
now playing a min of 2x/week with one being more of a rehearsal. We also
changed the bass player. I can also tell you that while what we are

playing is

Post by Joey Furr
FAR different than say, the Oscar Peterson trio, we are not playing "Free"
Jazz. There is structure to 90% of what we play. We may play a standard,

but

Post by Joey Furr
conversely, if someone has an idea and it leads to something else, no

one

Post by Robert Schuh
is

Post by Joey Furr
afraid to go with it. The listening that goes on in this group is actually
scary sometimes. Mark Moritz heard one of our gigs and asked me about

how

Post by Robert Schuh
we

Post by Joey Furr
did some of the wild volume changes. We may go from FFF to ppp within a

short

Post by Joey Furr
period of time. He thought we has worked this out. None of it was worked

out.

Post by Joey Furr
We all just can hear, or even tell ahead of time what each other is

going

Post by Robert Schuh
to

Post by Joey Furr
do. I can tell you from a playing perspective, it is very exciting. I

also

Post by Robert Schuh
may

Post by Joey Furr
use 6 or more different things to play my drums and cymbals during just

one

Post by Joey Furr
tune. Playing with other musicians who have great time and ears allows

me

Post by Robert Schuh
to

Post by Joey Furr
throw the traditional role of the drummer right out the door. We may

play

Post by Robert Schuh
a

Post by Joey Furr
tune that is normally a straight ahead Jazz thing, and I may never play

spang,

Post by Joey Furr
spang alang once during the whole tune. Conversely, a tune that we

played

Post by Robert Schuh
kind

Post by Joey Furr
of freely the time before, I could play more like Philly Joe the next

time. I

Post by Joey Furr
really believe what we are doing is about as fresh as it gets. All of us

know

Post by Joey Furr
the tradition of the music from Dixieland through the most free stuff.

We

Post by Robert Schuh
can

Post by Joey Furr
play a standard, but still play freely within the tune. That is much more
exciting that just going out there and playing completely free.

Sorry if posting this makes me a "rob-supporter" (like I could care less),
but this response was outstanding.
Rob,
I wish you ignored more of the bullshit and talked more about music here,
because I know that you know your shit, and I keep waiting for you to show
me. It's tough to keep an open mind about you when so many of your posts are
negative/troll in nature. I know it's not completely your fault; the
BlueFellGuruRay bunch instigates as much as they respond to, but if I could
ask one thing of you, it's to just ignore it and talk music. You seem to
have all this knowledge of the tradition and practice of playing music; why
not share it with the group? Why do you think Pat gets such reverential
treatment around here? Because he tells us about what it's really like to be
living it.
-DR

[b***@users.iwaynet.net]

Post by BlueM0ZARK
I simply don't care. He did no harm to me, and he seems to me like a
calm and nice person, so I'll treat him the same, since I have no
reason not to.

Rob of the Internet "calm and nice"? You haven't been here long
enough to remember the incident where he pulled SuperDrummer's
beard! Of course it's hard to decide if that was plus or a
minus points for the score! :-)

Benj

[s***@hotmail.com]

Post by b***@users.iwaynet.net

Post by BlueM0ZARK
I simply don't care. He did no harm to me, and he seems to me like a
calm and nice person, so I'll treat him the same, since I have no
reason not to.

Rob of the Internet "calm and nice"? You haven't been here long
enough to remember the incident where he pulled SuperDrummer's
beard! Of course it's hard to decide if that was plus or a
minus points for the score! :-)
Benj
--
S

[s***@hotmail.com]

Post by b***@users.iwaynet.net

Post by BlueM0ZARK
I simply don't care. He did no harm to me, and he seems to me like a
calm and nice person, so I'll treat him the same, since I have no
reason not to.

Rob of the Internet "calm and nice"? You haven't been here long
enough to remember the incident where he pulled SuperDrummer's
beard! Of course it's hard to decide if that was plus or a
minus points for the score! :-)
Benj
--
S

[Robert Schuh]

Post by Robert Schuh

Post by Joey Furr
#3 Coffee shops absolutely do not pay well...they don't do enough business
to pay well.
You know nothing about this place or who is actually paying us. Our group

makes

Post by Joey Furr
a minimum amount no matter what gig we do. We have a benefactor. What the
coffee house pays us is irrelevant. You really should try to find out more
about things that you are going to comment on. Let's say we do a show

somewhere

Post by Joey Furr
and the house only pays the band $200.00. We still get out minimum amount.

You

Post by Joey Furr
can try to shoot me down all you like, but I have never been more excited

about

Post by Joey Furr
an upcoming year before. This is going to be the first year in my 33 years

of

Post by Joey Furr
music that I am going to make more $ than ever before and NEVER play even

a

Post by Joey Furr
single casual etc. I will make $ this year only playing nothing but

challenging

Post by Joey Furr
and very on the edge stuff. To me, that is VERY exciting. We are going to
record our second DVD in the next 6 weeks and another around April of

2004. I

Post by Joey Furr
can also state that these will be FAR better than our first one. This trio

has

Post by Joey Furr
been together on and off since 1983. Bob Ravenscroft, the leader, had been
living between San Diego and Colorado for the last 10 years. He has moved

back

Post by Joey Furr
to AZ full time. We had not played together in 8 months on the last DVD.

We are

Post by Joey Furr
now playing a min of 2x/week with one being more of a rehearsal. We also
changed the bass player. I can also tell you that while what we are

playing is

Post by Joey Furr
FAR different than say, the Oscar Peterson trio, we are not playing "Free"
Jazz. There is structure to 90% of what we play. We may play a standard,

but

Post by Joey Furr
conversely, if someone has an idea and it leads to something else, no one

is

Post by Joey Furr
afraid to go with it. The listening that goes on in this group is actually
scary sometimes. Mark Moritz heard one of our gigs and asked me about how

we

Post by Joey Furr
did some of the wild volume changes. We may go from FFF to ppp within a

short

Post by Joey Furr
period of time. He thought we has worked this out. None of it was worked

out.

Post by Joey Furr
We all just can hear, or even tell ahead of time what each other is going

to

Post by Joey Furr
do. I can tell you from a playing perspective, it is very exciting. I also

may

Post by Joey Furr
use 6 or more different things to play my drums and cymbals during just

one

Post by Joey Furr
tune. Playing with other musicians who have great time and ears allows me

to

Post by Joey Furr
throw the traditional role of the drummer right out the door. We may play

a

Post by Joey Furr
tune that is normally a straight ahead Jazz thing, and I may never play

spang,

Post by Joey Furr
spang alang once during the whole tune. Conversely, a tune that we played

kind

Post by Joey Furr
of freely the time before, I could play more like Philly Joe the next

time. I

Post by Joey Furr
really believe what we are doing is about as fresh as it gets. All of us

know

Post by Joey Furr
the tradition of the music from Dixieland through the most free stuff. We

can

Post by Joey Furr
play a standard, but still play freely within the tune. That is much more
exciting that just going out there and playing completely free.

Sorry if posting this makes me a "rob-supporter" (like I could care less),
but this response was outstanding.
Rob,
I wish you ignored more of the bullshit and talked more about music here,
because I know that you know your shit, and I keep waiting for you to show
me. It's tough to keep an open mind about you when so many of your posts are
negative/troll in nature. I know it's not completely your fault; the
BlueFellGuruRay bunch instigates as much as they respond to, but if I could
ask one thing of you, it's to just ignore it and talk music. You seem to
have all this knowledge of the tradition and practice of playing music; why
not share it with the group? Why do you think Pat gets such reverential
treatment around here? Because he tells us about what it's really like to be
living it.
-DR

Dan,
E mail me and I'll give you my phone #. I am not going to waste my time with
these assholes here.


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[George Lawrence]

"We have a benefactor."

read; someone completely ignorant of the music business to give us some
money with a poor or no contract while thinking that he is going to make a
profit at some point. also called a "sugar daddy". Usually associated with
female singers.

--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800

"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb

Post by Joey Furr
Rob,
#1 Phoenix is not known for a hopping music scene.
Joey,
You know nothing about Phoenix, so why comment?
#2 Jazz of any kind typically does not pay well.
Where do you get this kind of crap? I realize that I am not Jack DeJohnette,
but the guys in the Keith Jarrett trio make $10,000.00 each/show. Keith may
actually make more. There are MANY Jazz musicians and bands that do very well.
Needless to say, it is not much compared to the top rock acts, but to say that
Jazz does not pay well in general is ill founded.
#3 Coffee shops absolutely do not pay well...they don't do enough business
to pay well.
You know nothing about this place or who is actually paying us. Our group makes
a minimum amount no matter what gig we do. We have a benefactor. What the
coffee house pays us is irrelevant. You really should try to find out more
about things that you are going to comment on. Let's say we do a show somewhere
and the house only pays the band $200.00. We still get out minimum amount. You
can try to shoot me down all you like, but I have never been more excited about
an upcoming year before. This is going to be the first year in my 33 years of
music that I am going to make more $ than ever before and NEVER play even a
single casual etc. I will make $ this year only playing nothing but challenging
and very on the edge stuff. To me, that is VERY exciting. We are going to
record our second DVD in the next 6 weeks and another around April of 2004. I
can also state that these will be FAR better than our first one. This trio has
been together on and off since 1983. Bob Ravenscroft, the leader, had been
living between San Diego and Colorado for the last 10 years. He has moved back
to AZ full time. We had not played together in 8 months on the last DVD. We are
now playing a min of 2x/week with one being more of a rehearsal. We also
changed the bass player. I can also tell you that while what we are playing is
FAR different than say, the Oscar Peterson trio, we are not playing "Free"
Jazz. There is structure to 90% of what we play. We may play a standard, but
conversely, if someone has an idea and it leads to something else, no one is
afraid to go with it. The listening that goes on in this group is actually
scary sometimes. Mark Moritz heard one of our gigs and asked me about how we
did some of the wild volume changes. We may go from FFF to ppp within a short
period of time. He thought we has worked this out. None of it was worked out.
We all just can hear, or even tell ahead of time what each other is going to
do. I can tell you from a playing perspective, it is very exciting. I also may
use 6 or more different things to play my drums and cymbals during just one
tune. Playing with other musicians who have great time and ears allows me to
throw the traditional role of the drummer right out the door. We may play a
tune that is normally a straight ahead Jazz thing, and I may never play spang,
spang alang once during the whole tune. Conversely, a tune that we played kind
of freely the time before, I could play more like Philly Joe the next time. I
really believe what we are doing is about as fresh as it gets. All of us know
the tradition of the music from Dixieland through the most free stuff. We can
play a standard, but still play freely within the tune. That is much more
exciting that just going out there and playing completely free.
#4 Pretty much every pro in here knows this. If you don't, what does that
make you?
Where do you get this? NO pro here knows anything about this group. You don't
know about this group, so your comments are off base again.
#5 How about you post your tax form from last year's performance proceeds
and I post mine?
What the fuck does this have to do with anything?
#6 Mensa didn't seem to think I was too much of an idiot.
Whenever someone brings up the Mensa thing, you have already lost the argument.
Your comments were idiotic. If you really want to get into a "my dick is bigger
than yours" thing here, I'll be happy to step up. What do you want, SAT scores,
colleges where we were admitted etc.? I was accepted into Stanford and went to
one of the finest Prep Schools in the country. You really should be embarrassed
to flop out the Mensa thing. Steven Hawking can still make ill informed
statements, so that argument does not hold water.
#7 Have a good day.
--
You too sweet cheeks! :-)
--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche
"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[Joey Furr]

Post by Joey Furr
Rob,
#1 Phoenix is not known for a hopping music scene.
Joey,
You know nothing about Phoenix, so why comment?

Becuase Phoenix is not known for a hopping music scene.

Post by Joey Furr
#2 Jazz of any kind typically does not pay well.
Where do you get this kind of crap? I realize that I am not Jack DeJohnette,
but the guys in the Keith Jarrett trio make $10,000.00 each/show. Keith may
actually make more. There are MANY Jazz musicians and bands that do very well.
Needless to say, it is not much compared to the top rock acts, but to say that
Jazz does not pay well in general is ill founded.

Ok, let me clarify: Jazz does not pay well relative to virtually every other
'popular' form of music.

Post by Joey Furr
#3 Coffee shops absolutely do not pay well...they don't do enough business
to pay well.

You know nothing about this place or who is actually paying us....
{extended diatribe clipped...}

Post by Joey Furr
#4 Pretty much every pro in here knows this. If you don't, what does that
make you?
Where do you get this? NO pro here knows anything about this group. You don't
know about this group, so your comments are off base again.

Sorry for the confusion...again I overestimated your intelligence. Every pro
in here knows that Jazz does not pay as well as other forms of music, as
stated above.

Post by Joey Furr
#5 How about you post your tax form from last year's performance proceeds
and I post mine?
What the fuck does this have to do with anything?

Back up your grand boasting, hotshot.

Post by Joey Furr
#6 Mensa didn't seem to think I was too much of an idiot.
Whenever someone brings up the Mensa thing, you have already lost the argument.
Your comments were idiotic. If you really want to get into a "my dick is bigger
than yours" thing here, I'll be happy to step up. What do you want, SAT scores,
colleges where we were admitted etc.? I was accepted into Stanford and went to
one of the finest Prep Schools in the country. You really should be embarrassed
to flop out the Mensa thing. Steven Hawking can still make ill informed
statements, so that argument does not hold water.

How about this? I'm smart enough to know what it takes to stay out of
prison.

Post by Joey Furr
#7 Have a good day.
--
You too sweet cheeks! :-)
--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche
"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[b***@users.iwaynet.net]

Why don't you just state how much you are making for the gig instead of
protesting so loudly?

Lessee. Rob said he was making "three times" what the rest of us
clowns usually get. So what would that be? Maybe $150?
Hmmm. that would be $450 a night for the trio. Now I've seen
some local restaurants around here etc. lay out that kind of bread
for say a big band. But a coffee shop? For a trio? They had
BETTER be the best trio in the country as Rob claims. Unless coffee
in Phoenix is $25 a cup. :-)

Benj

[Michael Fell]

Post by b***@users.iwaynet.net

Why don't you just state how much you are making for the gig instead of
protesting so loudly?

Lessee. Rob said he was making "three times" what the rest of us
clowns usually get. So what would that be? Maybe $150?
Hmmm. that would be $450 a night for the trio. Now I've seen
some local restaurants around here etc. lay out that kind of bread
for say a big band. But a coffee shop? For a trio? They had
BETTER be the best trio in the country as Rob claims. Unless coffee
in Phoenix is $25 a cup. :-)
Benj

LOL, In this day and age NOBODY is paying much for any bands anywhere.
When times get tough the first thing that goes is entertainment.

Mike

[Chris Milillo]

Post by Michael Fell

Post by b***@users.iwaynet.net

Why don't you just state how much you are making for the gig instead of
protesting so loudly?

Lessee. Rob said he was making "three times" what the rest of us
clowns usually get. So what would that be? Maybe $150?
Hmmm. that would be $450 a night for the trio. Now I've seen
some local restaurants around here etc. lay out that kind of bread
for say a big band. But a coffee shop? For a trio? They had
BETTER be the best trio in the country as Rob claims. Unless coffee
in Phoenix is $25 a cup. :-)
Benj

LOL, In this day and age NOBODY is paying much for any bands anywhere.
When times get tough the first thing that goes is entertainment.
Mike

Wow, back from Europe for one day and already I have to swipe at Fell.
(sigh...)

First off, when things get bad, people need something to take their
minds off their problems and music is not always the first thing to go.

As for your statement that "In this day and age NOBODY is paying much
for any bands anywhere", you couldn't be more wrong, Mike. Without going
into exact numbers, bars and clubs in the NY Tri State area are paying
(quality) cover bands 4 figure amounts without batting an eye. And I'm not
talking only about large venues, but also small-ish to medium sized local
bars. Some of the regionally well-known cover bands are making $2500-$3000
per night. I'm sure guys like Eddie from "Kick" in CT and some of the other
guys in the NJ and Long Island cover band scenes can back me up on this.

I (sadly) know too many people with GREAT jobs who have either lost jobs
they've had for many years, or took salary cuts. I *almost* feel guilty that
I, as a working musician, have not felt any financial ill-effects from the
poor economical situation in the US and specifically NYC, post 9/11. And I
stress the word "ALMOST". :-)

Counting my blessings,
CM

[Michael Fell]

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:35:45 -0400, "Chris Milillo"

Post by Chris Milillo

Post by Michael Fell

Post by b***@users.iwaynet.net

Why don't you just state how much you are making for the gig instead of
protesting so loudly?

Lessee. Rob said he was making "three times" what the rest of us
clowns usually get. So what would that be? Maybe $150?
Hmmm. that would be $450 a night for the trio. Now I've seen
some local restaurants around here etc. lay out that kind of bread
for say a big band. But a coffee shop? For a trio? They had
BETTER be the best trio in the country as Rob claims. Unless coffee
in Phoenix is $25 a cup. :-)
Benj

LOL, In this day and age NOBODY is paying much for any bands anywhere.
When times get tough the first thing that goes is entertainment.
Mike

Wow, back from Europe for one day and already I have to swipe at Fell.
(sigh...)
First off, when things get bad, people need something to take their
minds off their problems and music is not always the first thing to go.

Welcome back Chris. Here in WI all the corporate gigs I used to do do
not exist anymore. I guess these companies made some cutbacks. The
first thing they got rid of was their parties and such. Also, clubs
are paying almost nothing around here. I can imagine in Chicago it
may be different and maybe I should have said South eastern WI is not
paying much for bands anymore. Thank God I have a good day gig.


Mike

[Michael Fell]

On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 03:54:37 GMT, "George Lawrence"

I agree totally. Fell, as usual, is just making shit up. When people are out
of work and money is tight, the demand for live music in bars always
inreases. The depression in the thirties was a particularly lucrative period
for entertainers.

In bars as you stipulated George. What about the corporate gigs? How
about weddings? These are the gigs that pay the big money.

Mike

[Kurgan666]

I think someone hit his tender spot with that one.

Oh, you know the drill, George. Shcu's delicate psyche can't handle
being called on the carpet. Ergo, he freaks out like a defensive child
thats just been called 'booger face" on the playground.

I love fucking with him. The idiot is such an easy target.

--
George Lawrence
George's Drum Shop
1351 S. Cleveland-Massillon Road #21
Copley, Ohio 44321
http://www.GeorgesDrumShop.com
http://www.Drumguru.com
330 670 0800
toll free 866 970 0800
"If thine enemy wrong thee,
buy each of his children a drum."
-Chinese proverb
message

Post by ramalane
l.
: LOL! Sounds like Shcu will be playing a lot of "drum shit" to me.

Little boy. Why don't you get a fucking life? I NEVER play drum shit. You

need

to stop worrying about me and look in the mirror and find out why you are

such

a little pussy and a hack musician.

Post by ramalane
: What a fucking hypocrit. He snagged a real jewel with the coffee shop
: gig, however.

I can also tell you this bitch, this group is one of the best piano trios

you

will ever hear. I also will make more at this gig than most people make in

3.

Seeing that you know nothing about music, jazz or anything but Matchbox 20
Blink 182, why not just make the world a better place and take a nap in

the

garage with the car running? How long to you expect to be living with

Mommy and

Daddy? THE only time you comment in RMMP is to be a troll. You and the
Drumigdet need to get together and find out why your meds aren't working.
--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche
"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[Michael Fell]

Post by ramalane

Post by George Lawrence
"I am
going to put the 18x18 to the right and hit it with the left foot pedal
from my Eliminator double."
Just like Dave Weckl.

LOL! Sounds like Shcu will be playing a lot of "drum shit" to me.
What a fucking hypocrit. He snagged a real jewel with the coffee shop
gig, however.

I played a few of those in my time. You play so quiet you can hear
yourself breathing. Heck I could hear the organist breathing.
Imagine a B3 with volume levels lower then the customers. Kind of
loses its character. hey look on the bright side not only do you get
paid in tips but, they throw in a free cup of coffee and a donute. I
need to move to AZ to get these pro jazz gigs.


Mike

[Robert Schuh]

Check out this little cannon. I have to get a muffled head for the
batter side, but I have a feeling this thing is going to be a pounder.

Is it real ?
:-)

It is a Keller shell. I think finding an 18x18 Jasper would be a bit tough!
:-) I have actually come to prefer the 8 ply Keller sound on my kicks vs the
stock Gretsch. I have also finally found the combo to get the Gretsch sound
using a Keller shell. I have a guy to back me up with $, so we are going to
start a small company geared towards the Jazz market initially. The drum I
thought that was going to be the toughest to match was the 12x8, but that
came before the others. I am just trying to figure out what do use for lugs
now.



--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[Michael Fell]

Post by Robert Schuh

Check out this little cannon. I have to get a muffled head for the
batter side, but I have a feeling this thing is going to be a pounder.

Is it real ?
:-)

It is a Keller shell. I think finding an 18x18 Jasper would be a bit tough!
:-) I have actually come to prefer the 8 ply Keller sound on my kicks vs the
stock Gretsch. I have also finally found the combo to get the Gretsch sound
using a Keller shell. I have a guy to back me up with $,

The combo is a clear or coated ambassodor on the batter and a clear
ambassodor on the reso while running diecast hoops. Then find some
thin Keller shells without rings. There you go the great Gretsch
sound.

Mike

[Mark Polis]

Michael,
I'd like to ask you whether you have any personal experience playing/owning
Gretsch drums? I ask this as one who plays and owns a variety of Gretsch
drums - from different eras - and after having owned many other high end
drumsets before deciding to play Gretsch. In this light I would take issue
with your statement.

It is also reminiscent of your previous statements regarding Dunnett Ti's
and Supras, etc.

Where do you come by these comparisons and descriptive generalizations
absent the benefit of personal experience with the equipment you remark
upon?
--
--
o-----« Mark Polis  ***@suscom.net »-----o

"You play because you must." - drummer Tony Williams
--
--

Post by Michael Fell
The combo is a clear or coated ambassodor on the batter and a clear
ambassodor on the reso while running diecast hoops. Then find some
thin Keller shells without rings. There you go the great Gretsch
sound.
Mike

[Sam Savoca]

My, that was an extremely, undeservedly polite response.

Stirring the pot,
Sam S.

Post by Mark Polis
Michael,
I'd like to ask you whether you have any personal experience

playing/owning

Post by Mark Polis
Gretsch drums? I ask this as one who plays and owns a variety of Gretsch
drums - from different eras - and after having owned many other high end
drumsets before deciding to play Gretsch. In this light I would take issue
with your statement.
It is also reminiscent of your previous statements regarding Dunnett Ti's
and Supras, etc.
Where do you come by these comparisons and descriptive generalizations
absent the benefit of personal experience with the equipment you remark
upon?
--
--
"You play because you must." - drummer Tony Williams
--
--

Post by Michael Fell
The combo is a clear or coated ambassodor on the batter and a clear
ambassodor on the reso while running diecast hoops. Then find some
thin Keller shells without rings. There you go the great Gretsch
sound.
Mike

[b***@users.iwaynet.net]

Post by Sam Savoca
My, that was an extremely, undeservedly polite response.
Stirring the pot,
Sam S.

<Snort> <chortle> <Guffaw> <LOL>

Come on guys, cut it out! You are killing me. :)

Benj

[Aaron Draper]

IIRC, he has a set of Gretsch drums that spend a lot of time in cases (!)
OK, I'll butt out now......

--
Aaron Draper
www.baileyscomet.net
----------
"Does he think he's Ponce d' Moongel?"
-Sam Savoca
Mark Polis wrote in message ...

Post by Mark Polis
Michael,
I'd like to ask you whether you have any personal experience playing/owning
Gretsch drums? I ask this as one who plays and owns a variety of Gretsch
drums - from different eras - and after having owned many other high end
drumsets before deciding to play Gretsch. In this light I would take issue
with your statement.
It is also reminiscent of your previous statements regarding Dunnett Ti's
and Supras, etc.
Where do you come by these comparisons and descriptive generalizations
absent the benefit of personal experience with the equipment you remark
upon?
--
--
"You play because you must." - drummer Tony Williams
--
--

Post by Michael Fell
The combo is a clear or coated ambassodor on the batter and a clear
ambassodor on the reso while running diecast hoops. Then find some
thin Keller shells without rings. There you go the great Gretsch
sound.
Mike

[Robert Schuh]

Post by Mark Polis
Michael,
I'd like to ask you whether you have any personal experience playing/owning
Gretsch drums? I ask this as one who plays and owns a variety of Gretsch
drums - from different eras - and after having owned many other high end
drumsets before deciding to play Gretsch. In this light I would take issue
with your statement.
It is also reminiscent of your previous statements regarding Dunnett Ti's
and Supras, etc.
Where do you come by these comparisons and descriptive generalizations
absent the benefit of personal experience with the equipment you remark
upon?
--
--
"You play because you must." - drummer Tony Williams
--
--

Post by Michael Fell
The combo is a clear or coated ambassodor on the batter and a clear
ambassodor on the reso while running diecast hoops. Then find some
thin Keller shells without rings. There you go the great Gretsch
sound.
Mike

MArk,
You know the answer to this. Fell knows nothing. He just spouts crap for the
sake of spouting crap.


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

"The meek shall inherit nothing" - Zappa

[Michael Fell]

Post by Robert Schuh

Post by Mark Polis
Michael,
I'd like to ask you whether you have any personal experience playing/owning
Gretsch drums? I ask this as one who plays and owns a variety of Gretsch
drums - from different eras - and after having owned many other high end
drumsets before deciding to play Gretsch. In this light I would take issue
with your statement.
It is also reminiscent of your previous statements regarding Dunnett Ti's
and Supras, etc.
Where do you come by these comparisons and descriptive generalizations
absent the benefit of personal experience with the equipment you remark
upon?
--
--
"You play because you must." - drummer Tony Williams
--
--

Post by Michael Fell
The combo is a clear or coated ambassodor on the batter and a clear
ambassodor on the reso while running diecast hoops. Then find some
thin Keller shells without rings. There you go the great Gretsch
sound.
Mike

MArk,
You know the answer to this. Fell knows nothing. He just spouts crap for the
sake of spouting crap.

Quit piling on Schuh. I have been playing Gretsch drums longer then
you .

Mike

[Michael Fell]

Here they are Mark.

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I gigged with these drums for a solid six years One to five nights a
week. They are retired unless I decide to get back out and play
secular music again. They are my gigging drums. Playing music has such
a low payscale here in WI I don't think I will be going out anytime
soon so, the Gretschs will sit in their cases while my daily player a
Cleveland era Rogers Holiday kit (In jazz sizes) gets played every
single day. Trust me they sound wonderful although I still prefer the
Gretschs. I have kids that come over and hop on the drum kit. The
Gretschs are just a bit to fragile to be played by four year olds on
up so they reside in cases. I encourage drumming to my nieces and
nephews and or freinds kids and like to put them behind a set of drums
when they visit. I have a very nice Risen Jazz kit at Church that
sounds wonderful.



I was responding to Schuh. He said he figured out a combo to give
Keller shelled kits that great Gretsch sound like it was some kind of
special knowledge that only he possesed. I don't think I have made
comment on the Dunnet ti but, I heard it was dry sounding. Not my
type of sound. Even my Supra is a little drier then I would like
since I decided to use a coated Aquarian head instead of the coated
Ambassodor.


Mike

Post by Mark Polis
Michael,
I'd like to ask you whether you have any personal experience playing/owning
Gretsch drums? I ask this as one who plays and owns a variety of Gretsch
drums - from different eras - and after having owned many other high end
drumsets before deciding to play Gretsch. In this light I would take issue
with your statement.
It is also reminiscent of your previous statements regarding Dunnett Ti's
and Supras, etc.
Where do you come by these comparisons and descriptive generalizations
absent the benefit of personal experience with the equipment you remark
upon?
--
--
"You play because you must." - drummer Tony Williams
--

[Cliff]

Is it wrong when I think how great of a floor tom that would be? :-)

[BlueM0ZARK]

< Very nicely said Dan, and I support what you wrote. Even if Robert is
like all the things these guys say he is, I got to the conclusion that
I simply don't care. He did no harm to me, and he seems to me like a
calm and nice person, so I'll treat him the same, since I have no
reason not to.>

FYI...there is no "even if" in this case. He is guilty of everything you've
read x10.
This has been the way it's always been. Those who aren't directly involved,
simply don't give a damn. That's fine for you.
But study rmmp history before you comment. There are many, many, people here
who have very valid REASONS to treat this individual that way he is treated.
Enough said.

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