Sweet Emotion

[J Wald]

Anyone care to enlighten me as to what the hell is being played
between verses? I can't seem to get anything, especially the
kick, working right on that part. Thanks.

[-MIKE-]

Post by J Wald
Anyone care to enlighten me as to what the hell is being played
between verses? I can't seem to get anything, especially the
kick, working right on that part. Thanks.

So the snare part is no problem right? Just downbeats on 2-3-4.
The ride part is just 8ths on the ride cymbal, right?

Can you do the kick and snare part together?
The kick and snare combine to do this rhythm:
a2e a3e a4e

That kick part can be challenging if you're used to only playing
downbeat on kick.
Think of the kick part as playing 16ths between the ride and kick.
Practice alternating 16ths between right hand and right foot (ride/kick).
Then slip the snare in on the downbeats

[Sam S]

Post by -MIKE-

Anyone care to enlighten me as to what the hell is being played between
verses? I can't seem to get anything, especially the kick, working right
on that part. Thanks.

So the snare part is no problem right? Just downbeats on 2-3-4.
The ride part is just 8ths on the ride cymbal, right?
Can you do the kick and snare part together?
a2e a3e a4e
That kick part can be challenging if you're used to only playing downbeat
on kick.
Think of the kick part as playing 16ths between the ride and kick.
Practice alternating 16ths between right hand and right foot (ride/kick).
Then slip the snare in on the downbeats

I tried to articulate that, but failed and cancelled the message. Good job
Mike. I think those bass drum hits are placeda bit closer behind the snare
hits than just 16ths though. When placed right on the 16ths it doesn't
quite sound right.

The combination ot the HH and bass drum pattern in the song's out (end) has
always been more challeging to me for the foot independence. It's very
cool. 8th note open and close on the hats with the bass drum doing 16ths
following the bass guitar.

Sam S.

[-MIKE-]

Post by Sam S
I tried to articulate that, but failed and cancelled the message. Good
job Mike. I think those bass drum hits are placeda bit closer behind
the snare hits than just 16ths though. When placed right on the 16ths
it doesn't quite sound right.

Thanks Sam. You're right about the spacing. When I was first listening
to it, I was thinking it was a triplet/shuffled thing because it sure
sounds/feels like it. So I tried counting it in triplet and it just
didn't translate to the brain.

When you think of it in 16ths, then play it, the notes seem to naturally
"move closer together," especially when you listen to what you're
supposed to be following: the guitar riff. Certainly Steven Tyler and
Joe Perry would never write or play anything "straight." :-)

Post by Sam S
The combination ot the HH and bass drum pattern in the song's out (end)
has always been more challeging to me for the foot independence. It's
very cool. 8th note open and close on the hats with the bass drum doing
16ths following the bass guitar.
Sam S.

I agree.

[Pete Pemberton]

Post by -MIKE-

Post by Sam S
I tried to articulate that, but failed and cancelled the message. Good
job Mike. I think those bass drum hits are placeda bit closer behind
the snare hits than just 16ths though. When placed right on the 16ths
it doesn't quite sound right.

Thanks Sam. You're right about the spacing. When I was first listening
to it, I was thinking it was a triplet/shuffled thing because it sure
sounds/feels like it. So I tried counting it in triplet and it just
didn't translate to the brain.
When you think of it in 16ths, then play it, the notes seem to naturally
"move closer together," especially when you listen to what you're
supposed to be following: the guitar riff. Certainly Steven Tyler and
Joe Perry would never write or play anything "straight." :-)

Slightly swung 16ths?

Post by -MIKE-

Post by Sam S
The combination ot the HH and bass drum pattern in the song's out (end)
has always been more challeging to me for the foot independence. It's
very cool. 8th note open and close on the hats with the bass drum
doing 16ths following the bass guitar.
Sam S.

I agree.

An overdub I bet.

PP

[-MIKE-]

Post by Pete Pemberton

Post by -MIKE-

Post by Sam S
The combination ot the HH and bass drum pattern in the song's out
(end) has always been more challeging to me for the foot
independence. It's very cool. 8th note open and close on the hats
with the bass drum doing 16ths following the bass guitar.
Sam S.

I agree.

An overdub I bet.
PP

It's only tough at first. Once you get it, you're like, "this was
hard?" :-)

Besides, I've seen him do it live.
I'm not going to be calling Joey Kramer for lessons any time soon :-),
but I think he gets a bad rap and is a bit underrated as a rock drummer.

[Pete Pemberton]

Post by Pete Pemberton

Post by -MIKE-

Post by Sam S
The combination ot the HH and bass drum pattern in the song's out (end)
has always been more challeging to me for the foot independence. It's
very cool. 8th note open and close on the hats with the bass drum
doing 16ths following the bass guitar.
Sam S.

I agree.

An overdub I bet.
PP

It's only tough at first. Once you get it, you're like, "this was hard?" :-)
Besides, I've seen him do it live.
I'm not going to be calling Joey Kramer for lessons any time soon :-),
but I think he gets a bad rap and is a bit underrated as a rock drummer.

Love in an Elevator has overdubs on the tom runs, so wouldn't surprise
me. Not saying it can't be done, just sounds lie a dub to my ear on the
record.

I am a huge Joey fan!

Pp

[-MIKE-]

Post by Pete Pemberton

Post by Pete Pemberton
An overdub I bet.
PP

It's only tough at first. Once you get it, you're like, "this was hard?" :-)
Besides, I've seen him do it live.
I'm not going to be calling Joey Kramer for lessons any time soon :-),
but I think he gets a bad rap and is a bit underrated as a rock drummer.

Love in an Elevator has overdubs on the tom runs, so wouldn't surprise
me. Not saying it can't be done, just sounds lie a dub to my ear on the
record.
I am a huge Joey fan!
Pp

I saw a making-of type video about them and it was clear that Steven
Tyler is a visionary and comes up with a lot of ideas for parts (drums
and other) in the studio. I'm sure there has been the occasion that he
thinks of a part that is a little too difficult and is easier done with
overdubs.

[J Wald]

Thanks for the help. What the HELL is wrong with me. I imported
it to Audacity, clipped the phrase, slowed the tempo by 20%, and
listened to it a few times. Someone said that once you get you'll
be thinking it was easy. They were right. I feel a bit stupid
here. I guess that has always been my problem; avoiding stuff
that seems tough. It's a confidence issue for sure.
--
J Wald
"Can't do it Sally"
Tom Hagan - Godfather I

Post by J Wald
Anyone care to enlighten me as to what the hell is being played
between verses? I can't seem to get anything, especially the
kick, working right on that part. Thanks.
--
J Wald
"Can't do it Sally"
Tom Hagan - Godfather I

[-MIKE-]

Post by J Wald
Thanks for the help. What the HELL is wrong with me. I imported
it to Audacity, clipped the phrase, slowed the tempo by 20%, and
listened to it a few times. Someone said that once you get you'll
be thinking it was easy. They were right. I feel a bit stupid
here. I guess that has always been my problem; avoiding stuff
that seems tough. It's a confidence issue for sure.

LOL, I think that was me. Don't let it get to you, it happens to all of
us.
Sometimes, it's just the stress that blocks us from hearing and
understanding it.
These little victories help build confidence.

BYW, aren't those audio programs just incredible. I remember wearing out
cassette tapes rewinding, playing, rewinding, playing, trying to figure
out parts. Now, I have Tascam DR-1 that slows down and loops with the
push of a button.

[J Wald]

Mike,
You know, I think the lack of technology, in conjunction with
laziness and the lack of knowledge on my part, might be the main
reason I never tried too hard. I always said it was good enough
to just water it down, and most times, with the people I play to,
it is. When I started with these lessons again I told the guy
that I have mediocre skills at best, and never wanted to be *out
front* so to speak. All I wanted was to be the guy in the back
holding it together. My whole mission with lesson was to build a
few chops to get out of my rut. I realize now that that is not
the truth at all. I still don't want to be some monster chop
master, but I do want to advance to the point of a better stage
of mediocrity. I want some of the skills that I hear from others.
I want it for me. With todays new technology I hope to be able to
better attain the information required to help me be a better
drummer.
--
J Wald
"Can't do it Sally"
Tom Hagan - Godfather I

Post by -MIKE-

Post by J Wald
Thanks for the help. What the HELL is wrong with me. I
imported it to Audacity, clipped the phrase, slowed the tempo
by 20%, and listened to it a few times. Someone said that once
you get you'll be thinking it was easy. They were right. I
feel a bit stupid here. I guess that has always been my
problem; avoiding stuff that seems tough. It's a confidence
issue for sure.

LOL, I think that was me. Don't let it get to you, it happens
to all of us.
Sometimes, it's just the stress that blocks us from hearing and
understanding it.
These little victories help build confidence.
BYW, aren't those audio programs just incredible. I remember
wearing out
cassette tapes rewinding, playing, rewinding, playing, trying
to figure
out parts. Now, I have Tascam DR-1 that slows down and loops
with the
push of a button.
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in
life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
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