How much would you / could you hang on a kick drum?

[Frisco]

Hey guys! How's things in here?

I'm starting to get into alot of restaurant and small clubs with my
blues trio, and the real estate up on stage (if we even get a stage)
is becoming more and more hard to claim. So I'm trying to reduce my
kit's footprint but still make it playable and still sound good.

Any thoughts?

Someone has one of those little Manu Katche Yamaha Jr kits locally for
about $400, and I have a converter kit for my Beech Custom 16x16 that
I could easily use too. But then I need cymbal stands around the kit
and they tend to spread my footprint out and don't see a big
difference from my normal 4-pc kit.

Has anyone hung all their cymbals off their kick drum? Logistically
I'm pretty sure I can hang a 10" or 12" tom and two cymbal booms... a
ride in the usual place and a crash above the tom. It's a 16x22 Beech
Custom, so a fairly thick shell for today's standards. I'd probably
use a Sabian AAX 20" ride, it's much lighter than my 21" HH Raw Bell
Dry Ride, and then a med-thin 16" crash. That would reduce my cymbals
stands to just the hats - seems like that would result in giving back
a ton of space to the other guys - for amps, etc, and less stand-legs
for them (or me) to trip over.

On another thought - could that little Yamaha Manu Katche 16x16 kick
hold up with a ride and crash hung from it? With my 16x22 kick I'd be
more concerned with weight on the drum shell, with the 16x16 I'd be
more concerned with the whole thing falling over on me. :-/

TIA,
Paul

[Rev Poindexter]

Hey Paul,

Currently I'm hanging an 8x10" tom and 2 cymbals from the DTH on my
Phonic Bop kit. Definitely cuts down on the stage real estate usage.
Many times I don't bother to set up any other cymbals.
I don't know that I'd do the same on thin shelled kit.

It works for me anyhow.

RP

Post by Frisco
Hey guys! How's things in here?
I'm starting to get into alot of restaurant and small clubs with my
blues trio, and the real estate up on stage (if we even get a stage)
is becoming more and more hard to claim. So I'm trying to reduce my
kit's footprint but still make it playable and still sound good.
Any thoughts?
Someone has one of those little Manu Katche Yamaha Jr kits locally for
about $400, and I have a converter kit for my Beech Custom 16x16 that
I could easily use too. But then I need cymbal stands around the kit
and they tend to spread my footprint out and don't see a big
difference from my normal 4-pc kit.
Has anyone hung all their cymbals off their kick drum? Logistically
I'm pretty sure I can hang a 10" or 12" tom and two cymbal booms... a
ride in the usual place and a crash above the tom. It's a 16x22 Beech
Custom, so a fairly thick shell for today's standards. I'd probably
use a Sabian AAX 20" ride, it's much lighter than my 21" HH Raw Bell
Dry Ride, and then a med-thin 16" crash. That would reduce my cymbals
stands to just the hats - seems like that would result in giving back
a ton of space to the other guys - for amps, etc, and less stand-legs
for them (or me) to trip over.
On another thought - could that little Yamaha Manu Katche 16x16 kick
hold up with a ride and crash hung from it? With my 16x22 kick I'd be
more concerned with weight on the drum shell, with the 16x16 I'd be
more concerned with the whole thing falling over on me. :-/
TIA,
Paul

[Zomoniac]

Post by Frisco
Hey guys! How's things in here?
I'm starting to get into alot of restaurant and small clubs with my
blues trio, and the real estate up on stage (if we even get a stage)
is becoming more and more hard to claim. So I'm trying to reduce my
kit's footprint but still make it playable and still sound good.
Any thoughts?
Someone has one of those little Manu Katche Yamaha Jr kits locally for
about $400, and I have a converter kit for my Beech Custom 16x16 that
I could easily use too. But then I need cymbal stands around the kit
and they tend to spread my footprint out and don't see a big
difference from my normal 4-pc kit.
Has anyone hung all their cymbals off their kick drum? Logistically
I'm pretty sure I can hang a 10" or 12" tom and two cymbal booms... a
ride in the usual place and a crash above the tom. It's a 16x22 Beech
Custom, so a fairly thick shell for today's standards. I'd probably
use a Sabian AAX 20" ride, it's much lighter than my 21" HH Raw Bell
Dry Ride, and then a med-thin 16" crash. That would reduce my cymbals
stands to just the hats - seems like that would result in giving back
a ton of space to the other guys - for amps, etc, and less stand-legs
for them (or me) to trip over.

I've got a 16w x 20d kick that I hang 3 cymbals and a tom off, never
had a problem with it. My footprint is the kick, floor tom and hi-hat
stand, works a charm. I have two sets of double-holed mount things on
the kick, have an 8x8 tom and a heavy 20" ride on the front one, and a
16" crash and 18" crash on the back one. All perfectly stable and
sounds great.

Pics:
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[Maarten]

I've got a 16w x 20d kick that I hang 3 cymbals and a tom off, never had a
problem with it. My footprint is the kick, floor tom and hi-hat stand,
works a charm. I have two sets of double-holed mount things on the kick,
have an 8x8 tom and a heavy 20" ride on the front one, and a 16" crash and
18" crash on the back one. All perfectly stable and sounds great.

Nice!

Maarten

[Steve Turner]

Post by Frisco
Has anyone hung all their cymbals off their kick drum?

Any time I try to hang cymbals off my kick drum I get annoyed by the
hollow ring that comes from the cymbals whenever I play the kick. My
kit is specifically arranged so that *no* cymbals are attached to the kick.

[Frisco]

Post by Steve Turner

Post by Frisco
Has anyone hung all their cymbals off their kick drum?

Any time I try to hang cymbals off my kick drum I get annoyed by the
hollow ring that comes from the cymbals whenever I play the kick.  My
kit is specifically arranged so that *no* cymbals are attached to the kick.
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I was think about that too, but we're a pretty full band most of the
time, so it'd be lost in the mix and shouldn't be noticeable.

On the same thought process - has anyone ever mounted a crash off of a
floor tom? Maybe off a leg, or... my Beech Custom 14" floor used to
be a mounted tom (YESS mount). I could probably re-attach the mount
and make some sort of way to attach a crash to it with a light boom
arm. Hmmmm....

Paul

[Frisco]

Hey guys!  How's things in here?
I'm starting to get into alot of restaurant and small clubs with my
blues trio, and the real estate up on stage (if we even get a stage)
is becoming more and more hard to claim.  So I'm trying to reduce my
kit's footprint but still make it playable and still sound good.
Any thoughts?
Someone has one of those little Manu Katche Yamaha Jr kits locally for
about $400, and I have a converter kit for my Beech Custom 16x16 that
I could easily use too.  But then I need cymbal stands around the kit
and they tend to spread my footprint out and don't see a big
difference from my normal 4-pc kit.
Has anyone hung all their cymbals off their kick drum?  Logistically
I'm pretty sure I can hang a 10" or 12" tom and two cymbal booms... a
ride in the usual place and a crash above the tom.  It's a 16x22 Beech
Custom, so a fairly thick shell for today's standards.  I'd probably
use a Sabian AAX 20" ride, it's much lighter than my 21" HH Raw Bell
Dry Ride, and then a med-thin 16" crash.  That would reduce my cymbals
stands to just the hats - seems like that would result in giving back
a ton of space to the other guys - for amps, etc, and less stand-legs
for them (or me) to trip over.
On another thought - could that little Yamaha Manu Katche 16x16 kick
hold up with a ride and crash hung from it?  With my 16x22 kick I'd be
more concerned with weight on the drum shell, with the 16x16 I'd be
more concerned with the whole thing falling over on me.  :-/
TIA,
Paul

Thanx for all the feedback guys! I'm trying it out tonight, pulled
some extra cymbal booms out of my rack stash and made sure everything
fits on the kick-mount post... if I have any problems with it I can
always go back to the stands and I'll just have to be less than
apologetic to the band-mates. :-P

Paul

[Pete Pemberton]

Post by Frisco
Hey guys! How's things in here?
I'm starting to get into alot of restaurant and small clubs with my
blues trio, and the real estate up on stage (if we even get a stage)
is becoming more and more hard to claim. So I'm trying to reduce my
kit's footprint but still make it playable and still sound good.
Any thoughts?
Someone has one of those little Manu Katche Yamaha Jr kits locally for
about $400, and I have a converter kit for my Beech Custom 16x16 that
I could easily use too. But then I need cymbal stands around the kit
and they tend to spread my footprint out and don't see a big
difference from my normal 4-pc kit.
Has anyone hung all their cymbals off their kick drum? Logistically
I'm pretty sure I can hang a 10" or 12" tom and two cymbal booms... a
ride in the usual place and a crash above the tom. It's a 16x22 Beech
Custom, so a fairly thick shell for today's standards. I'd probably
use a Sabian AAX 20" ride, it's much lighter than my 21" HH Raw Bell
Dry Ride, and then a med-thin 16" crash. That would reduce my cymbals
stands to just the hats - seems like that would result in giving back
a ton of space to the other guys - for amps, etc, and less stand-legs
for them (or me) to trip over.
On another thought - could that little Yamaha Manu Katche 16x16 kick
hold up with a ride and crash hung from it? With my 16x22 kick I'd be
more concerned with weight on the drum shell, with the 16x16 I'd be
more concerned with the whole thing falling over on me. :-/
TIA,
Paul

Just to put in my two cents, the thickness of the shell does need to be
considered. With that said I have mounted two toms, older Gretsch 10
and 12 with the brass rims and hardware, RIMS mounts, off a 6 ply
Keller shell, with a cymbal, and heavy Gretsch Techware and haven't
noticed anything untoward.

Another system to consider is the DW double tom stand with the
dogbones. I hang 2 rack toms, two crashes, and a china on a boom on
one. Sometimes I even break out two splashes to add to it. I am using
the older discontinued 8500 series, with single braced legs. This is
the bigger diameter hardware like the 9000, but the legs are somewhat
thinner and again single braced whereas the 9000 series is double
braced and heavier/thicker.

On the other stand, I mount a heavy 20" ride, another crash, another
china, an X -hat, and another small specialty cymbal (Paiste bell or
Icebell, depending on mood). 20x20 kick, two floor toms, double pedal
and regular hihat. The footprint with a 5 legged rock-n-soc and mic
stand is exactly 6x6.

Zo, what is the footprint of your Jalapeno without the bongos, 4x5?
That's about what my babykit is. HIhat, 10" popcorn snare off the hihat
stand, one 10" tom on the bass with one cymbal holder, and an oldschool
shell mount cymbal holder. I can add a regular cymbal stand for the 2nd
crash and a hanging 12" or 14" floor tom. So on the floor max is one
tripod cymbal stand, hihat, throne, and bass drum.

PP

[MikeMandaville]

Hey guys!  How's things in here?
I'm starting to get into alot of restaurant and small clubs with my
blues trio, and the real estate up on stage (if we even get a stage)
is becoming more and more hard to claim.  So I'm trying to reduce my
kit's footprint but still make it playable and still sound good.
Any thoughts?
Someone has one of those little Manu Katche Yamaha Jr kits locally for
about $400, and I have a converter kit for my Beech Custom 16x16 that
I could easily use too.  But then I need cymbal stands around the kit
and they tend to spread my footprint out and don't see a big
difference from my normal 4-pc kit.
Has anyone hung all their cymbals off their kick drum?  Logistically
I'm pretty sure I can hang a 10" or 12" tom and two cymbal booms... a
ride in the usual place and a crash above the tom.  It's a 16x22 Beech
Custom, so a fairly thick shell for today's standards.  I'd probably
use a Sabian AAX 20" ride, it's much lighter than my 21" HH Raw Bell
Dry Ride, and then a med-thin 16" crash.  That would reduce my cymbals
stands to just the hats - seems like that would result in giving back
a ton of space to the other guys - for amps, etc, and less stand-legs
for them (or me) to trip over.
On another thought - could that little Yamaha Manu Katche 16x16 kick
hold up with a ride and crash hung from it?  With my 16x22 kick I'd be
more concerned with weight on the drum shell, with the 16x16 I'd be
more concerned with the whole thing falling over on me.  :-/
TIA,
Paul

I haven't run into a space problem yet, but if I do, I will just set
up a three-piece set with the snare, tom, and a single combination
cymbal all mounted to the top of the bass drum. I can be happy with
just three drums and a cymbal. I would need to modify the bass drum,
though.

[Jim Dwyer]

Nothing. I like a virgin, bass drum that is.
If the stage is small I will take less gear.
All you really may need depending on the music is a bass, snare hats and a
ride.

Jim

Post by Frisco
Hey guys! How's things in here?
I'm starting to get into alot of restaurant and small clubs with my
blues trio, and the real estate up on stage (if we even get a stage)
is becoming more and more hard to claim. So I'm trying to reduce my
kit's footprint but still make it playable and still sound good.
Any thoughts?
Someone has one of those little Manu Katche Yamaha Jr kits locally for
about $400, and I have a converter kit for my Beech Custom 16x16 that
I could easily use too. But then I need cymbal stands around the kit
and they tend to spread my footprint out and don't see a big
difference from my normal 4-pc kit.
Has anyone hung all their cymbals off their kick drum? Logistically
I'm pretty sure I can hang a 10" or 12" tom and two cymbal booms... a
ride in the usual place and a crash above the tom. It's a 16x22 Beech
Custom, so a fairly thick shell for today's standards. I'd probably
use a Sabian AAX 20" ride, it's much lighter than my 21" HH Raw Bell
Dry Ride, and then a med-thin 16" crash. That would reduce my cymbals
stands to just the hats - seems like that would result in giving back
a ton of space to the other guys - for amps, etc, and less stand-legs
for them (or me) to trip over.
On another thought - could that little Yamaha Manu Katche 16x16 kick
hold up with a ride and crash hung from it? With my 16x22 kick I'd be
more concerned with weight on the drum shell, with the 16x16 I'd be
more concerned with the whole thing falling over on me. :-/
TIA,
Paul

[BeachDog]

Hi Paul,

I've frankensteined two kits to be as compact as possible (similar to
what Zo did). My latest experiment is mounting everything off a 20'x8'
Pearl Rhythm Traveler kit, including snare, tom, floor tom, 2 rides
and a crash. I have no idea how long it will holdup, but we'll see.
I'll take a few pics and share them soon.

~Frank

[Frisco]

Just saw that a friend's band is playing the same place I did a few
weeks back, he went out and bought a Traps kit for it. So basically
his kick pedal is sitting inches from the edge of the <cough cough>
stage. I've seen other folks use the Rhythm Traveler kick idea, just
so's the kick drum doesn't take up all the depth of the stage by
itself. That's basically the issue there, the stage is only like 3
feet deep.

Hmmm, I wonder how far out the spurs on my Yamaha kick will go...
maybe I could stick the kick our OVER the edge of the stage and just
extend the spurs to the floor for the extra 5 inches or so. Ha!

Paul

Post by BeachDog
Hi Paul,
I've frankensteined two kits to be as compact as possible (similar to
what Zo did). My latest experiment is mounting everything off a 20'x8'
Pearl Rhythm Traveler kit, including snare, tom, floor tom, 2 rides
and a crash. I have no idea how long it will holdup, but we'll see.
I'll take a few pics and share them soon.
~Frank

[Pete Pemberton]

Post by Frisco
Just saw that a friend's band is playing the same place I did a few
weeks back, he went out and bought a Traps kit for it. So basically
his kick pedal is sitting inches from the edge of the <cough cough>
stage. I've seen other folks use the Rhythm Traveler kick idea, just
so's the kick drum doesn't take up all the depth of the stage by
itself. That's basically the issue there, the stage is only like 3
feet deep.
Hmmm, I wonder how far out the spurs on my Yamaha kick will go...
maybe I could stick the kick our OVER the edge of the stage and just
extend the spurs to the floor for the extra 5 inches or so. Ha!
Paul

Post by BeachDog
Hi Paul,
I've frankensteined two kits to be as compact as possible (similar to
what Zo did). My latest experiment is mounting everything off a 20'x8'
Pearl Rhythm Traveler kit, including snare, tom, floor tom, 2 rides
and a crash. I have no idea how long it will holdup, but we'll see.
I'll take a few pics and share them soon.
~Frank

I would just set up on the floor in front of that 'stage'.

PP